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Re: Not sure how much longer they will be able to keep crunching in the UK

Suppose there's more of the "Leading by the nose" fun
that you were dealing out and admitted to.

Arctic melting faster, could raise sea 5 feet by 2100

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/globa...e-change-sea-levels_n.htm

Looks like this for the past 32 years, first 5 months + 10 days, per Cryosphere today, with overlay of JAXA as good alignment to indicate that historic record is good enough to tell the worrying facts:



"Allegedly Disappearing"

Beaufort Sea (grand central of the Arctic), first year ice:

170 centimeters thick in 2009
160 centimeters thick in 2010
140 centimeters thick in 2011

Even when the ice is not fit to walk on, it will still be "Allegedly Disappearing".
Sek you can print and claim as much as you like but like everything under the Sun it's meaningless

An untrumpable assessment, were it not that of course they are the Inconvenient Truth you can't stand to see printed. Humans, 7 billion now, are causing the changes and noone else in our Anthropocene.

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Quoting meself, the dailykos has the original story which the video was closely follows.

The dailykooks?
They are so extremely far to the left they would be arguing that the world is flat if it would promote their agenda. IMHO they have 0 credibility in this debate. (or any other debate)If they had their way all industry would be shut down and we would go back to farming, hunting and living in caves.
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Gee, did I think that tripe dish was disgusting, but tastes vary. Maybe like Haggis, it's an acquired taste, but not going to try it a second time.

Apologies to the Scots why might draw offense from this (and do laugh anyone out of the house who says so too)

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Quoting meself, the dailykos has the original story which the video was closely follows.

The dailykooks?
They are so extremely far to the left they would be arguing that the world is flat if it would promote their agenda. IMHO they have 0 credibility in this debate. (or any other debate)If they had their way all industry would be shut down and we would go back to farming, hunting and living in caves.

What has left or right anything to do with observations of our planet? Oh wait, science and environmental protection are leftist, commie, libertarian, democrat hobbies.

Lets no go that path, plz.
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Re: Not sure how much longer they will be able to keep crunching in the UK

as the rain follows the drought and the spring follows the winter that is just the way it is

The 4 seasons of Snow. Could the decline in Spring and Autumn, long range, be an indication of warming, when the sun has been cooling for longer than that?



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Re: Not sure how much longer they will be able to keep crunching in the UK

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/news/releases/archive/2011/cloud-modelling

Straight from the Science is not so settled book
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From CERN's web page

http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/spotlight/SpotlightCloud-en.html

The roots of the experiment can be traced as far back as two centuries, when the Astronomer Royal, William Herschel, noticed a correlation between sunspots and the price of wheat in England. This marked the first observation that Earth's climate may be affected by variations of the Sun. Solar-climate variability has remained a great puzzle since that time, despite an intensive scientific effort. During the ‘Little Ice Age’ around the 17th and 18th centuries, when sunspots all but disappeared for 70 years, the cosmic ray intensity increased and the climate cooled. This seems to be merely the latest of around a dozen similar events over the last ten thousand years. At present, there is no established reason for the brightness of the Sun to fluctuate on these time scales. The possibility of a direct influence on the climate of galactic cosmic rays (which are modulated by changes of the solar wind) is therefore attracting the interest of scientists.


Sek this is clearly the work of fools

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as the rain follows the drought and the spring follows the winter that is just the way it is

Frankly, of an incredible insight, shockingly.

Lets see: "the rain follows the drought"... eventually. In the Sahel they speak of a drought when it has not rained for several years. Up on the North Sea coast they speak of a RECORD drought that is now lasting longer than the KNMI records began [KNMI is one of the oldest met offices in the world, starting record very early of the 18th century... ca 1705]. 2011 harvests have already been declared substantially lost and the wheats have been shooting seedlings instead, in preservation of species, an evolutionary function.

And: "the spring follows the winter, just the way it is".

Just pinch me, to refer to the "Nonsense" commentary. Is this a descend into kindergarten teachings?

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From CERN's web page

http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/spotlight/SpotlightCloud-en.html

The roots of the experiment can be traced as far back as two centuries, when the Astronomer Royal, William Herschel, noticed a correlation between sunspots and the price of wheat in England. This marked the first observation that Earth's climate may be affected by variations of the Sun. Solar-climate variability has remained a great puzzle since that time, despite an intensive scientific effort. During the ‘Little Ice Age’ around the 17th and 18th centuries, when sunspots all but disappeared for 70 years, the cosmic ray intensity increased and the climate cooled. This seems to be merely the latest of around a dozen similar events over the last ten thousand years. At present, there is no established reason for the brightness of the Sun to fluctuate on these time scales. The possibility of a direct influence on the climate of galactic cosmic rays (which are modulated by changes of the solar wind) is therefore attracting the interest of scientists.


Sek this is clearly the work of fools

;-)

Boy, that's really up-to-date... October 2006. Any idea where Svensmark is these days and what did this experiment produce so far? Did you read up on later work by Solomon? Of course not, what was I thinking. Copy - Paste. Let me get you an newer science view:
The contention that cosmic rays could provide the mechanism by which changes in solar activity affect climate is not supported by the literature. Solomon et al. (2007) address this topic, noting that “the cosmic ray time series does not appear to correspond to global total cloud cover after 1991 or to global low-level cloud cover after 1994.” More recent research continues to question the ability of this mechanism to play a significant role in climate change. Pierce and Adams (2009) use calculations to show that potential impacts on clouds from cosmic rays and “conclude that the hypothesized effect is too small to play a significant role in current climate change.” Erlykin et al. (2009) found that the evidence showed that connections between solar variation and climate were more likely to be mediated by direct variation of insolation rather than cosmic rays, and concluded: “Hence within our assumptions, the effect of varying solar activity, either by direct solar irradiance or by varying cosmic ray rates, must be less than 0.07 ◦C since 1956, i.e. less than 14% of the observed global warming.” Carslaw (2009) and Pittock (2009) review the recent and historical literature in this field and continue to find that the link between cosmic rays and climate is tenuous, though they encourage continued research.


Thinking of Dale boy, "Only fools and horses" can be put before your cart.

Science is Science, if conducted properly and should be allowed to explore all directions [well almost as some is on hot footing with ethics]. Trying to put words in my mouth... no, that's what you like to make of it.

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Re: Not sure how much longer they will be able to keep crunching in the UK

data up to 1994 was ok for you and Scotland

The first beam data with the full CLOUD experiment is expected in 2010.

maybe that's the reason behind the recent Met Office gathering
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