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retsof
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Sek is this from the same satellite that had Lake Michigan at 489F? Was somebody in Chicago burning a book?
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Montford again? http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives...tford-delusion/#more-4431 Montford certainly spins a tale of suspense, conflict, and lively action, intertwining conspiracy and covert skullduggery, politics and big money, into a narrative worthy of the best spy thrillers. I'm not qualified to compare Montford's writing skill to that of such a widely-read author as, say, Michael Crichton, but I do know they share this in common: theyâre both skilled fiction writers. The only corruption of science in the âhockey stickâ is in the minds of McIntyre and Montford. .. foreword by Lord Turnbull (his name now mentioned twice in a 48 hours). Though he was in government, his voting record on measures on the topic of climate and environment is remarkable, contra... BUT, he has a point there, when the old developed order is pointing finger at the new developing nations: I especially like the realism in his comments about the exporting of carbon usage to China (or other less developed countries) and then blaming those countries for their dramatic increase. This is an issue that is often overlooked in the discussion of curtailing carbon output in any individual country.
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I am working in Maine at the moment--no GW here
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Sekerob
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To paraphrase an old saying: The rain in Maine stays mainly in the plain.
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Sekerob
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Not quickly getting discouraged, but after reading this I'll be needing some antidepressants... 20 grammes of pure chocolate should do that... not more...
----------------------------------------... So it was inferred that NCDC and JAXA data were disparate (look at the data) and it being misleading to show them in the same chart as JAXA data (the bars for 79-2000 and 2001/2002 are higher than any JAXA recorded year... well, today NCDC reported lower than JAXA data extents. Yes you read that right, so I guess ATs will stick to IJIS. An unexpected source suggested I ask NSIDC scientist Julienne Stroeve to explain what is going on. I did, and she replied: We’ve dropped to 4.76 today. All the old ice that was transported into the Chukchi Sea over the winter is gone and about 50% of the old ice in the Beaufort Sea remains. Arctic-wide there has been a 60% reduction in ice ages 5+ years from the end of April to the end of August. Atmospheric circulation patterns in summer 2010 were not as favorable to ice loss as in 2007 and 2008, so this suggests that the ice may have been on the thin side. I haven’t looked into detail on the SSTs, and there is compression towards the pole in the Chukchi that is contributing, but given the continued ice loss this month, which is double that of climatology, and faster than in 2007 and 2009 (but a bit slower than 2008), I’m thinking it’s a combination of warmer SSTs and thin ice that is continuing the current ice loss. The water is warm — see Captain’s log from the Chukchi Sea: “The water temperature is 7.5 degrees. If we weren’t sailing, it would be a great temperature for a swim!”; “North of Point Hope. Water temperature: 9.0˚C.” Sometimes it is the wind that helps push the ice together and drive down sea ice extent. This year’s rapid end-of-season extent drop is partly due to some compression, but appears to be driven more by warmer waters and thinner ice, which is not a big surprise — see Study: “It is clear … that the precipitous decline in September sea ice extent in recent years is mainly due to the cumulative loss of multiyear ice.” Read on a climateprogress. http://climateprogress.org/2010/09/09/julienn...tist-arctic-sea-ice-melt/ So 60% of the remaining 5 years+ old sea ice was goned between April and August. I'm in need of 20 more grammes of pure chocolate.
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David Autumns
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Pretty level headed and sane, but the grammar is terrible
----------------------------------------http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11322310 are we sure this is really from the BBC Environment Correspondent not quite ready to give up on 2040 or 2050 for a complete melt away but I suppose there's plenty of time still to admit that was a bit extreme too. At least it confirms what I had thought, saving me the bother of trawling through the csv files. 2010 had the shortest melt season over the satellite record from 1979. The latest start and the earliest stop. That doesn't suggest to me that the Arctic is warmer than it's ever been Does it to you? Dave  [Edit 1 times, last edit by David Autumns at Sep 15, 2010 11:50:38 PM] |
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Sekerob
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The color ink cartridge went empty, so today in black and white... lowest for 2010, so far: 4,941,094
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David Autumns
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Sek you've called it out too early
----------------------------------------The final daily amount turns up around 17:00 UTC Give the satellite time to collect the whole dataset before plotting the graph. The most recent updates, as you would expect, have been positive.Nevertheless it's quite clear from the mono graph from JAXA that there is now more, not less, than 2007 and 2008 and that the North Polar Ice Cap is not in the grips of a self perpetuating "death spiral" Here's another graph to look at  I think this shows that there's nothing extraordinary about the temperatures around the pole - the green line being the average from 1958 to 2002. The blue one is 0C, the red is 2010 so far. There would appear to be a complete lack of Global Warming, Man Made or otherwise. Dave |
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David Autumns
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What a difference < a year makes
---------------------------------------- I have been reading some of my earliest posts in this thread and I spotted this http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8307272.stm fast forward to today http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11322310 The BBC website needs it's very own Winston Smith. One good reason why the Internet is so great |
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