I just don't think those debates are worth having. Let's be honest, you're on the wrong side of history. Your generation is the last generation to hold such conservative economic and social views. This is the last desperate gasp of extreme conservatism. Our civilisation has moved progressively more liberal as time elapses. Think of the progress we made in this past century with Civil Rights, the woman's right to choose, de-stigmatising homosexuals, and with ending Don't Ask Don't Tell on the horizon, we're continuing to move towards a progressive vision. I'm sorry if you're not on board the ship, but it has sailed. Republicans had their chance but they made their deal with the Devil with the imbeciles Bush and Palin. The yawning intellectual chasm between Obama and Bush, or between Rachel Maddow and Sarah Palin, bespeaks the radical intellectual superiority and compassion of the youth of this country over the last vestiges of republican conservatism (thinly veiled racism and not so thinly veiled anti-immigrant sentiments).

Hey gang. The jury is still out on the HPF2 testing but I ran 22 of the current work units without issue using Vista Ultimate 64 along with BOINC 6.6.38 (64bit) on my Core2Quad 9450. I wonder if there is another batch of work units that will fail though

Lets be TRULY honest we are not on the wrong side of history--the ILLEGAL immigrants should be sent packing our civilization if that's what you call it is eroding.I have nothing against civil rights but Johnson was only thinking of the black vote,and that's what all the amnesty have been about.If that ship has sailed i am happy not to be on it For your information bush may have been a republican but he was not a conservative--i didn't like him or his father that is a globalist--they speak out of both sides of their mouth! AS does obama and he is far from a intellectual--i treat people like they treat me and if you want to call me a racsist or anti immigrant so be it.I will only give up my freedom with a fight. I guess almost two million people in Washington on 9/12 were the same--you have a lot of maturing to do before you understand whats happening in this country

Okay folks. Evaryone needs to take a break and count to ten. I'm not out to single any
one person out, mainly because this applies to everyone, and, while I do not intend for what
I have to say to offend anyone, I am going to be frank so if something I say bothers you, take
a moment to look at why that may be the case.

First off, WCG is like most any DC project out there. Namely, it is NOT a democracy. There
are rules in place that all of us are expected to follow. When there are problems in any of the
forums, it is invariably because one or more persons just won't follow the rules. I think we
would all benefit from reviewing them. Being a global effort, WCG attracts folks from all walks
of life, from all kinds of backgrounds and with all kinds of views. It's not really very hard
to find someone who believes just the opposite of what you do. While you can disagree with their
views and believe they are wrong, stupid or whatever, that is for your consumption. It doesn't
belong here in the forums. When it is here, it invariably becomes a personal attack. Readers
cannot read you mind when they are reading your posts. In ascribing motive, intent, and meaning
to your words, all they have are your words. It's not hard to say something that you mean one
way only to have someone take it just the opposite of that. I know that all too well as I've had
it happen to me. When you are limited to just words, a lot of information gets lost that you're
used to having there in normal conversations and such. I've spent as much as two to three hours
working on a single post, weighing every word, because of the importance of what I am trying to
say in that post and in trying to convey that accurately in the words I choose. If you're
responding to a post and you're feeling some fairly stong emotions while you do, odds are you
will probably say something that would have been best left unsaid or left until later when you
can respond more objectively. I understand that any of us will want to defend themself if they
believe that they are being attacked, especially attached unfairly. That is probably the MOST
dangerous time to respond. If you don't respond in kind, you will in due time. The result is
that you only LOWER yourself to the level of your attacker. First off, the truth can stand on
its own just fine without your help. Secondly, when you allow yourself to get down on the same
level as your attacker, you become no better than them. Be better than that.

We've had some threads locked lately in the forums here. Frankly, that's happened before and,
regretfully, it will happen again. A locked thread is a sure sign of failure. Some of the
threads that were locked were not a surprise at all. It was clear from the initial post that
such a fate was just a matter of time. Others lasted far, far longer than I would ever have
guessed. Some had become nothing more than "religous wars" where everyone talked, no on
listened, and disrespect and rudeness were the norm. The admins here do what they can to edit
inappropriate posts but lately, they have had far too much to do. In the past, extreme cases
have resulted in folks getting banned from the forums. While the admins will typicially warn
someone before they take that step, they are under absolutely NO obligation to do so. Whether
you agree or disagree with their views/position/decision is completely irrelevant. This is
THEIR sandbox and, if you want to play in it, you have to play by their rules. In all honesty,
I believe that they have bent over backwards in the past trying to avoid having to ban someone.
From what I can tell, that hasn't changed. Yet, in recent events, they've all but had to ban
someone else, and, if things remain unchanged, there will be more. I don't know if anyone else
noticed but there was a rather strong admin presence monitoring our team thread recently. I did
not like that personally but I could understand what their concerns were and what they might
have been watching for. Still, for me, that was a direct indictment of this team. That hurts.

As a global team, we're going to be pretty diverse in our backgrounds and views just within
our team. If we can show each other the respect and tolerance here in our own thread, we should
be able to do the same in other threads. As of late though, I have had to wonder on occasion
reading posts here. I prefer to give folks the benefit of the doubt. It looks like we had
another chance to pick up a new member recently and lost out to another team. I would be lying
if I didn't say that I wondered if their decision was influenced by the reputation of this team
and its members.

What we're really here for is to put an end to the Jakes, the Tobys, the Marys, the spouses, the
parents, siblings and children who have suffered, to expand our knowledge of our world and our
universe so that tomorrow can be a better day than today. If something else we do gets in the
way of that, then it's wrong and we have no business doing it. I don't monitor other threads
in the forums here if someone from the team is posting there. Apparently, there are other team
captains that do. We're all adults old enough to take responsibility for our actions and their
consequences. I don't have to agree with someone or even like them in order for me to welcome
them to this team and to support them. If they're here to support our goals, that's all that
matters. We're here to crunch and that's what WCG is about. These forums are icing on the cake.
They're not a requirement in order for us to be able to crunch. They exist to help promote and
support the crunching. The extent to which we have the ability to discuss matters totally
irrelevant to that crunching shows just how much freedom we actually do have here. Believe me,
I haven't seen the same wide-ranging level of topics in the forums at other projects.

Understand that the LAST thing I am saying is that I think or want anyone to leave the team. I
have tried to do my best to avoid mentioning any specific threads, members or incidents and
focus instead on the broader, overall issues. I'm not looking to castigate anyone publicly, or
privately for that matter. We are a team and we stand together as a team. The reputation of this
team is our reputations. Each of us is known here by our posts. That's the only way we really
have to know each other. What each of us says and does here reflects on ourselves and our team.
It's only natural to defend yourself when someone else attacks you in their post. I fully
understand that but, speaking from experience, it is VERY hard to not respond in kind. Frankly,
that's what the little red angry face icon in the bottom right corner of every post is best for.
Let the admins deal with the posts that are rude, insulting and that are personal attacks. That
is part of their job. There are folks in this world that seem to like to find what someone's
buttons are and relish pushing them. Don't give them the satisfaction. Don't let them win.
Responses to posts are like that are the ones that I've spent the most time writing and I by no
means have anything near a perfect track record. This post alone has taken between three and
four hours of my time but what I want to say here is that important to me. The issues are
important; the team is important; and each one of you is important. I know I'm biased but this
is one of the best teams here. I've been proud, and humbled, by the way you've responded to the
normal changes that occur with any team. As crunchers, I think we have a record that we can be
proud of. To paraphrase something I once heard - When dealing with an ***hole, grit your teeth,
smile and kill 'em with kindness while the admins cut 'em a new one.

MyOnlineTeam Daily Statistics for 10/09 - Active Members

Active team members report
==========================

                                                     Current          Points
Active member name            Rank      Change       Points        This Period
=========================     =====     ======     ===========     ===========
marysduby                         1          0      37,295,182          53,654
RT                                2          0      21,860,038          57,417
parmesian                         3          0      16,758,179          26,683
Coingames                         4          0      15,417,869          49,795
nl59056                           5          0      15,016,206               0
Esteban69                         6          0      10,649,671           6,846
Dave Bell                         7          0      10,031,977          16,218
keithhenry                        8          0       8,625,259           9,934
Fanie                             9          0       6,721,216               0
Mushball                         10          0       6,570,351           5,535
Jonathan Figdor                  11          0       5,778,924           4,733
frans6nl                         12          0       5,496,213           4,730
PohSoon                          13          0       5,225,238           2,461
sulcata                          14          0       4,812,355           7,619
brown chris                      15          0       4,647,226          19,966
Vuj                              16          0       3,796,190           6,853
Blueprint                        17          0       3,636,381           6,755
NiceMedTexMD                     18          0       3,541,020          13,906
stares                           19          0       3,334,718               0
Tomwp                            20          0       2,459,265           1,414
lawrencehardin                   21          0       2,251,284               0
wrr                              22          0       1,817,900               0
siseberg                         23          0       1,786,548             474
Wunderwuzzi                      24          0       1,659,535             406
kkelson                          25          0       1,598,894           6,184
spikey_richie                    26          0       1,586,922             392
smcclarigan                      27          0       1,565,750               0
Sunny L. Kae                     28          0       1,543,217           2,498
johng                            29          0       1,203,712           1,015
harry_i_c                        30          0         905,533           1,397
laughing66607                    31          0         844,968               0
Airwolf_Liu                      32          0         813,305           1,719
Jockin                           33          0         731,749             605
elpe                             34          0         661,094               0
darth_vader                      35          0         640,864           4,957
Bon Kuhlman                      36          0         541,188           1,223
imin                             37          0         536,853           1,876
warken                           38          0         400,855               0
Momentary Lapse of Reason        39          0         322,227             483
mapplebeck                       40          0         275,471               0
madambaster                      41          0         220,213               0
Natalino                         42          0         206,636             555
WindmillMan76043                 43          0         196,930               0
cknotty                          44          0         177,014               0
jamesjr934                       45          0         151,694               0
rwgreen89                        46          0          78,888           2,223
TheRoket                         47          0          51,869           1,293

Note: Active members are those who earned points in the prior 30 days.

Top Twenty active members returning points today:
01: RT - 57,417 points
02: marysduby - 53,654 points
03: Coingames - 49,795 points
04: parmesian - 26,683 points
05: brown chris - 19,966 points
06: Dave Bell - 16,218 points
07: NiceMedTexMD - 13,906 points
08: keithhenry - 9,934 points
09: sulcata - 7,619 points
10: Vuj - 6,853 points
11: Esteban69 - 6,846 points
12: Blueprint - 6,755 points
13: kkelson - 6,184 points
14: Mushball - 5,535 points
15: darth_vader - 4,957 points
16: Jonathan Figdor - 4,733 points
17: frans6nl - 4,730 points
18: Sunny L. Kae - 2,498 points
19: PohSoon - 2,461 points
20: rwgreen89 - 2,223 points

Total points returned today: 321,819
Active members returning points today: 33
Average points per member active today: 9,752.09091