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keithhenry
Ace Cruncher Senile old farts of the world ....uh.....uh..... nevermind Joined: Nov 18, 2004 Post Count: 18667 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Points milestones report ======================== RT reached 16,000,000 points  Dresser reached 900,000 points Results returned milestones report ================================== NiceMedTexMD returned their 3,300th result Airwolf_Liu returned their 2,200th result jamesjr934 returned their 100th result Yet another good day of milestones. RT is getting a good hold on the number two spot. Looks like Dresser will be our next MOT Millionaire after less than three months of crunching so far...and we've yet to hear from them here either. |
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Former Member
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...........CONGRATULATIONS RT ON REACHING 16,000,000 MOT POINTS !!!........... |
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Former Member
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........CONGRATULATIONS DRESSER ON REACHING 900,000 MOT POINTS !!!........ |
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NiceMedTexMD
Veteran Cruncher United States Joined: Aug 17, 2006 Post Count: 929 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Points milestones report ======================== RT reached 16,000,000 points Dresser reached 900,000 points Results returned milestones report ================================== NiceMedTexMD returned their 3,300th result Airwolf_Liu returned their 2,200th result jamesjr934 returned their 100th result Yet another good day of milestones. RT is getting a good hold on the number two spot. Looks like Dresser will be our next MOT Millionaire after less than three months of crunching so far...and we've yet to hear from them here either. Yes, some really great milestones..! Especially some of the newer people.. it's cool watching them climb up the ranks.. Dr. Mike  |
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RT
Master Cruncher USA - Texas - DFW Joined: Dec 22, 2004 Post Count: 2636 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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The new badge colors: 1) Are counter-intuitive. Ruby, Emerald and Sapphire are better than gold? At least before it made some sense. 2) Too many colors loses meaning -irrational meanings and finally, what are these badges for in the first place? I want to know the real purpose behind all the different color badges for all the projects. Is it to cause people with resources to spread them as much as possible to achieve the highest level in all projects? Is it to get people with fewer resources to concentrate them on one project? Doesn't it have both these effects? Why would WCG want to do that? Does it make sense to attempt to manipulate the people who are contributing their resources on a strictly altruistic basis? Certainly it is not to indicate overall contribution; we have points, (already a rubber ruler) for that. So it must be some sort of effort to manipulate the way people allocate their resources to projects. Why  Well, it might have been different if all six were there from the beginning. Done separately, it might have been harder sticking with precious metals. What's after gold? Titanium, platinum, then what? Plus you need something that has different colors too. So precious gems are more valuable than precious metals I guess. Ruby, emerald, sapphire also leaves the possibility of diamond for five years maybe? Just guessing at all this though. As for why the badges, probably the same reasons we have points to begin with. It's a lot like why MOT has its milestones and Hall of Fame banners. A sense of tangibility and accomplishment along with goals to aim for. That's important for some folks; others are fine without them. I was happy with the points--just like playing marbles which i was never good at--By the way did we ever get the UD problem fixed>?  How about all that Protein folding we did 2004-2005 and i think their were some othersG: I think both of us made substantial contribution over at Grid.org (UD) but I think that all sank with the ship I know I had tons of computer time in over there. I still do not understand this: Won't/Aren't the badges introducing an artificial influence on contributors as indicated in my first Rant? Why would WCG do that? I understand the comment about tangibility and milestones but don't points do that and why would badges on each project enhance that?? Why on each project?? and why runtime and not points?? It seems ill-conceived if well intended. Anyway, I will drop it now but will hold it up as yet another example of unintended consequences perpetrated by people with good intentions and little forethought. |
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Former Member
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The new badge colors: 1) Are counter-intuitive. Ruby, Emerald and Sapphire are better than gold? At least before it made some sense. 2) Too many colors loses meaning -irrational meanings and finally, what are these badges for in the first place? I want to know the real purpose behind all the different color badges for all the projects. Is it to cause people with resources to spread them as much as possible to achieve the highest level in all projects? Is it to get people with fewer resources to concentrate them on one project? Doesn't it have both these effects? Why would WCG want to do that? Does it make sense to attempt to manipulate the people who are contributing their resources on a strictly altruistic basis? Certainly it is not to indicate overall contribution; we have points, (already a rubber ruler) for that. So it must be some sort of effort to manipulate the way people allocate their resources to projects. Why Well, it might have been different if all six were there from the beginning. Done separately, it might have been harder sticking with precious metals. What's after gold? Titanium, platinum, then what? Plus you need something that has different colors too. So precious gems are more valuable than precious metals I guess. Ruby, emerald, sapphire also leaves the possibility of diamond for five years maybe? Just guessing at all this though. As for why the badges, probably the same reasons we have points to begin with. It's a lot like why MOT has its milestones and Hall of Fame banners. A sense of tangibility and accomplishment along with goals to aim for. That's important for some folks; others are fine without them. I was happy with the points--just like playing marbles which i was never good at--By the way did we ever get the UD problem fixed>? How about all that Protein folding we did 2004-2005 and i think their were some othersG: I think both of us made substantial contribution over at Grid.org (UD) but I think that all sank with the ship I know I had tons of computer time in over there. I still do not understand this: Won't/Aren't the badges introducing an artificial influence on contributors as indicated in my first Rant? Why would WCG do that? I understand the comment about tangibility and milestones but don't points do that and why would badges on each project enhance that?? Why on each project?? and why runtime and not points?? It seems ill-conceived if well intended. Anyway, I will drop it now but will hold it up as yet another example of unintended consequences perpetrated by people with good intentions and little forethought. RT -- I think it was originally done to show a members contributions in the various project areas beside their posts in the forum, something not easily done using points. It was expanded because the bronze/silver/gold did not cover very large contributions of time made by many of the members. |
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brown chris
Master Cruncher California - USA Joined: Nov 18, 2004 Post Count: 2560 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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The new badge colors: 1) Are counter-intuitive. Ruby, Emerald and Sapphire are better than gold? At least before it made some sense. 2) Too many colors loses meaning -irrational meanings and finally, what are these badges for in the first place? I want to know the real purpose behind all the different color badges for all the projects. Is it to cause people with resources to spread them as much as possible to achieve the highest level in all projects? Is it to get people with fewer resources to concentrate them on one project? Doesn't it have both these effects? Why would WCG want to do that? Does it make sense to attempt to manipulate the people who are contributing their resources on a strictly altruistic basis? Certainly it is not to indicate overall contribution; we have points, (already a rubber ruler) for that. So it must be some sort of effort to manipulate the way people allocate their resources to projects. Why Well, it might have been different if all six were there from the beginning. Done separately, it might have been harder sticking with precious metals. What's after gold? Titanium, platinum, then what? Plus you need something that has different colors too. So precious gems are more valuable than precious metals I guess. Ruby, emerald, sapphire also leaves the possibility of diamond for five years maybe? Just guessing at all this though. As for why the badges, probably the same reasons we have points to begin with. It's a lot like why MOT has its milestones and Hall of Fame banners. A sense of tangibility and accomplishment along with goals to aim for. That's important for some folks; others are fine without them. I was happy with the points--just like playing marbles which i was never good at--By the way did we ever get the UD problem fixed>? How about all that Protein folding we did 2004-2005 and i think their were some othersG: I think both of us made substantial contribution over at Grid.org (UD) but I think that all sank with the ship I know I had tons of computer time in over there. I still do not understand this: Won't/Aren't the badges introducing an artificial influence on contributors as indicated in my first Rant? Why would WCG do that? I understand the comment about tangibility and milestones but don't points do that and why would badges on each project enhance that?? Why on each project?? and why runtime and not points?? It seems ill-conceived if well intended. Anyway, I will drop it now but will hold it up as yet another example of unintended consequences perpetrated by people with good intentions and little forethought. RT -- I think it was originally done to show a members contributions in the various project areas beside their posts in the forum, something not easily done using points. It was expanded because the bronze/silver/gold did not cover very large contributions of time made by many of the members. I remember when grid computing started. Runtime was the only thing that mattered as grid computing was compared to time purchased on a super computer. Runtime is still important as that is how much runtime a project would have to spend on time for a super computer. To this day, super computer time is very expensive so that makes runtime values very important. Points are just some arbitrary number made up that mean nothing. Points are just for use contributers to feel good about, whereas runtime is the money a project would have to spend.
BIG BANG THEORY: In the beginning there was nothing... which exploded
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Dataman
Ace Cruncher Joined: Nov 16, 2004 Post Count: 4865 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Points are just some arbitrary number made up that mean nothing. Points are just for use contributers to feel good about, whereas runtime is the money a project would have to spend. That was one of the deficiencies of the conversion to BOINC. BOINC uses runtime in the calculation of credits but does not track runtime per se; only credits. As we all know, credits can be anything a project wants them to be. Runtime, in my opinion, is the only fair way to judge contribution. In my world you get X credits for 1 CPU or GPU hour and that's it. Trying to adjust credits by the amount of work done for the project and by how many and what type of computer that did it does not work and probably never will. It's apples and oranges (or emeralds and rubies  ). Has a person of lesser means made less of a commitment running one 500 MHz 24/7 than a person of greater means running a state-of-the-art farm 24/7? Is the person who puts their only dollar in the collection plate (for whatever cause) made less of a commitment than one who contributes 1% of a huge accumulation of wealth? In Dataman's world the answer is no. I admire most the people here at MOT (or anywhere) who contribute a couple of hundred points each day and have done it for years. But as I always say ... opinions vary.  Well MOT ... that's MY Friday morning rant. Another 106F forcast today. One day I will actually be able to run all these shiny new machines.    |
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RT
Master Cruncher USA - Texas - DFW Joined: Dec 22, 2004 Post Count: 2636 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I would agree with most of you on your various comments. What seems patently obvious is that the WCG must have too many staff if they can spend time "fixing what ain't broke". Encouraging people with large contribution capabilities to spread them out while at the same time encouraging people with few resources to concentrate them on one project. It really is "Fixing something that ain't broke till it is (broken)".
----------------------------------------Interestingly enough, not one bit of this has anything to do with finding the cures or solutions which is the reason that I am here...so this grumpy old man will go quiet for a time and mess with something that is broke and can be fixed (some of my own doing   ) .Everyone have a great day. Edit... I need someone to do my "keying"(typing) for me. ---------------------------------------- [Edit 2 times, last edit by RT at Jul 17, 2009 4:24:48 PM] |
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NiceMedTexMD
Veteran Cruncher United States Joined: Aug 17, 2006 Post Count: 929 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I admit, on occasion i'm very happy when I reach certain milestones.. All I have to do though is remind myself of visiting my grandmother in the hospital before she died.. or of the numerous children I took care of during my residency..
----------------------------------------I'm really in this for the long haul and the possibility of a cure. Maybe it won't be me that finds that winning "drug", but if not.. i'll hopefully help them by finding thousands that won't work too.. :) Dr. Mike.. |
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