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Re: Beta Test Clean Energy Type A / B version 6.29
The main difference with this beta appears to be that when they blow up with the error while copying wcgrestart.rst, they are marked as "Inconclusive" instead of "Error".

BETA_ E000338_ 710A_ 00251g00s_ 3-- In Progress 18/03/09 09:01:19 19/03/09 16:42:07 0.00 0.0 / 0.0
BETA_ E000338_ 710A_ 00251g00s_ 2-- Inconclusive 17/03/09 19:58:44 18/03/09 09:00:57 9.22 81.6 / 0.0
BETA_ E000338_ 710A_ 00251g00s_ 1-- Inconclusive 17/03/09 19:19:01 18/03/09 04:36:42 9.21 54.9 / 0.0
BETA_ E000338_ 710A_ 00251g00s_ 0-- Detached 17/03/09 19:18:23 17/03/09 19:57:18 0.00 0.0 / 0.0
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Re: Beta Test Clean Energy Type A / B version 6.29
My C2D laptop took 17 hours to process one beta and my quad finished one around 7 hours. Didn't get to see the one on the quad as it picked up and finished overnight. Still have two more in progress on two different machines, the slower P4s. Can't check the validation status of the two that finished as the stats are updating.
After these should be about half way to silver status smile
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Re: Beta Test Clean Energy Type A / B version 6.29
This project has certainly introduced a higher error rate then we typically experience. We will take a look at the discussion above. There is certainly some merit in the argument that errors that occur during beta testing should be treated differently then errors that occur in production.

We will have to consider this while considering the following issues:

* The mechanism should reward members appropriately for their contribution
* The mechanism needs to be part of the BOINC framework so that it works automatically
* The mechanism should discourage cheating and overclocked computers that return erroneous results.


My suggestion is a simple one, each beta unit that validates gets valued in the normal way. Each unit from the batch that errors, or is invalid, or aborted by the project gets the average credit of the valid units in the batch. User Aborted units get nil.

There is a codicile to the above in that if a computer gives errored/invalid results on known good projects it only gets points if the beta unit is valid.

This prevents duff computers being unfairly rewarded whilst ensuring that the rest get a reasonable compensation for their efforts without requiring excessive effort to work out what credit to give. It would be a simple matter of working out the average of all the valid units and then running a script to give those credits to all the affected units.
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Re: Beta Test Clean Energy Type A / B version 6.29
BETA_E000442_018B_000c0000i seems to be a problem, too. Already two workunits have error, one inconclusive, and the second replacement workunit running. But all three result logs look normal:

<core_client_version>6.2.10</core_client_version>
<![CDATA[
<stderr_txt>
Calling initGraphics()
INFO: No state to restore. Start from the beginning.
called boinc_finish

</stderr_txt>
]]>
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Re: Beta Test Clean Energy Type A / B version 6.29
this WU looks like it could be a winner,

Workunit Status

Project Name: Beta Testing - The Clean Energy Project
Created: 3/17/09
Name: BETA_E000338_426A_002519012
Minimum Quorum: 2
Replication: 4


Result Name Status Sent Time Time Due /
Return Time CPU Time (hours) Claimed/ Granted BOINC Credit
BETA_ E000338_ 426A_ 002519012_ 4-- In Progress 3/19/09 02:10:30 3/20/09 15:05:22 0.00 0.0 / 0.0
BETA_ E000338_ 426A_ 002519012_ 3-- Inconclusive 3/18/09 21:34:13 3/19/09 02:09:49 4.57 101.7 / 0.0
BETA_ E000338_ 426A_ 002519012_ 2-- Inconclusive 3/17/09 19:29:42 3/18/09 06:53:13 8.38 83.3 / 0.0
BETA_ E000338_ 426A_ 002519012_ 1-- Detached 3/17/09 18:13:53 3/17/09 19:27:11 0.00 0.0 / 0.0
BETA_ E000338_ 426A_ 002519012_ 0-- Inconclusive 3/17/09 18:13:48 3/18/09 21:33:48 10.06 80.1 / 0.0


The Result Log is from mine only (above in bold)

<core_client_version>6.2.28</core_client_version>
<![CDATA[
<stderr_txt>
Calling initGraphics()
INFO: No state to restore. Start from the beginning.
[ERROR] Failed to open either source or destination files while copying wcgrestart.rst to ../../projects/www.worldcommunitygrid.org/BETA_E000338_426A_002519012_0_3. Error: 2
called boinc_finish

</stderr_txt>
]]>
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Re: Beta Test Clean Energy Type A / B version 6.29
Two of my most reliable machines returned Beta work with an Error result. Both had this type of message in the Error link.

core_client_version>6.2.19</core_client_version>
<![CDATA[
<message>
The system cannot write to the specified device. (0x1d) - exit code 29 (0x1d)
</message>
<stderr_txt>
Calling initGraphics()
INFO: No state to restore. Start from the beginning.
Encountered error. Exiting.

</stderr_txt>
]]>


I don't think it's my machines, however:

BETA_ E000338_ 441A_ 00251a00b_ 7-- In Progress 3/19/09 09:18:51 3/20/09 16:59:39 0.00 0.0 / 0.0
BETA_ E000338_ 441A_ 00251a00b_ 6-- Error 3/19/09 04:02:36 3/19/09 09:18:40 5.12 80.5 / 0.0 <-- Mine
BETA_ E000338_ 441A_ 00251a00b_ 5-- In Progress 3/19/09 03:14:22 3/20/09 10:55:10 0.00 0.0 / 0.0
BETA_ E000338_ 441A_ 00251a00b_ 4-- Error 3/18/09 23:36:37 3/19/09 04:02:32 4.40 93.5 / 0.0
BETA_ E000338_ 441A_ 00251a00b_ 3-- Error 3/18/09 19:04:20 3/18/09 23:36:28 4.50 98.2 / 0.0
BETA_ E000338_ 441A_ 00251a00b_ 2-- Error 3/18/09 10:15:35 3/19/09 03:14:09 4.80 69.8 / 0.0
BETA_ E000338_ 441A_ 00251a00b_ 0-- Detached 3/17/09 18:17:34 3/18/09 19:04:12 0.00 0.0 / 0.0
BETA_ E000338_ 441A_ 00251a00b_ 1-- Error 3/17/09 18:17:08 3/18/09 10:15:24 6.12 78.8 / 0.0




BETA_ E000338_ 316A_ 00251700c_ 6-- In Progress 3/19/09 12:01:55 3/20/09 19:42:43 0.00 0.0 / 0.0
BETA_ E000338_ 316A_ 00251700c_ 5-- Error 3/19/09 05:18:27 3/19/09 12:29:19 7.02 95.3 / 0.0 <-- Mine
BETA_ E000338_ 316A_ 00251700c_ 4-- Error 3/18/09 20:12:44 3/19/09 05:18:21 6.18 104.8 / 0.0
BETA_ E000338_ 316A_ 00251700c_ 3-- Error 3/18/09 20:09:54 3/18/09 20:12:27 0.01 0.1 / 0.0
BETA_ E000338_ 316A_ 00251700c_ 2-- Error 3/18/09 10:54:56 3/18/09 20:09:49 6.15 97.4 / 0.0
BETA_ E000338_ 316A_ 00251700c_ 0-- Error 3/17/09 17:53:24 3/19/09 12:01:47 4.37 102.6 / 0.0
BETA_ E000338_ 316A_ 00251700c_ 1-- Error 3/17/09 17:53:11 3/18/09 10:54:50 9.26 73.6 / 0.0
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Re: Beta Test Clean Energy Type A / B version 6.29
BETA_ E000338_ 376A_ 00251800u_ 1-- Valid 17.3.2009 18:05:25 18.3.2009 02:06:38 3.41 59.3 / 59.3
BETA_ E000338_ 376A_ 00251800u_ 0-- Valid 17.3.2009 18:05:13 19.3.2009 02:08:26 8.55 196.4 / 59.3 <-- mine

I find this a bit weird. Usually my q6600@3Ghz gets that amount of points for 3.5 hours of work (maybe that same amount my wingman has now had?). Boinc client is 6.5.0 64bit, vista x64.
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Re: Beta Test Clean Energy Type A / B version 6.29
My wingman has finished but looks like my WU (on one of my slower but reliable machines) is looking at 45+ hours to completion

BETA_ E000338_ 962A_ 00251m00s_ 0-- Pending Validation 17/03/09 20:18:08 19/03/09 12:32:48 18.78 241.0 / 0.0
BETA_ E000338_ 962A_ 00251m00s_ 1-- In Progress 17/03/09 20:18:02 21/03/09 20:18:02 0.00 0.0 / 0.0

I am going to get to 7M points (1 Teraflop) tomorrow
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Re: Beta Test Clean Energy Type A / B version 6.29
BETA_ E000338_ 012A_ 002510002_ 6-- In Progress 09-03-19 15:22:11 09-03-20 23:02:59 0.00 0.0 / 0.0
BETA_ E000338_ 012A_ 002510002_ 5-- Inconclusive 09-03-19 05:09:43 09-03-19 15:21:45 9.61 55.7 / 0.0 <- mine
BETA_ E000338_ 012A_ 002510002_ 4-- Inconclusive 09-03-18 21:46:17 09-03-19 05:09:23 6.94 96.8 / 0.0
BETA_ E000338_ 012A_ 002510002_ 3-- Inconclusive 09-03-18 13:48:20 09-03-18 21:45:47 3.73 64.1 / 0.0
BETA_ E000338_ 012A_ 002510002_ 2-- Inconclusive 09-03-18 10:33:31 09-03-18 13:46:43 3.19 61.4 / 0.0
BETA_ E000338_ 012A_ 002510002_ 0-- Inconclusive 09-03-17 16:55:07 09-03-18 10:33:05 8.41 108.7 / 0.0
BETA_ E000338_ 012A_ 002510002_ 1-- Inconclusive 09-03-17 16:55:00 09-03-18 03:49:24 8.51 135.9 / 0.0

Is there a real chance that the last copy (...6--) will end up with a status other than Inconclusive? If it gets marked Inconclusive as well, will more copies be sent out (I suppose not)? What would happen next to a WU with 7 Inconclusive results?
Just curious ...
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Is there a real chance that the last copy (...6--) will end up with a status other than Inconclusive? If it gets marked Inconclusive as well, will more copies be sent out (I suppose not)? What would happen next to a WU with 7 Inconclusive results?
Just curious ...


1. 0.1%
2. yes, up to 10
3. depends on the results of the rest of the WU
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