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Former Member
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When the grid is running on my PC, the CPU temperature goes up to 93 deg Centigrade. It's an Intel P4 3.0ghz and it usually runs at 70 deg centigrade when 'idle'.
Should I worry about this? I've read the other posts on CPU temperature, but I couldn't find anything that gave an answer. Advice appreciated Jim |
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There's a small problem with that temperature. I think your sensor has something wrong. Otherwise, do you even have a heat sink?
----------------------------------------At 70 degrees, most of the newer intel systems would automatically power down to prevent overheating. Yes, you should worry about it, because 70 degrees constant operation either means there's a problem with your temperature sensing instruments, or that your processor is going to die very fast of chronic overheating. At such high temperatures, performance is drastically reduced, and the computer becomes unstable. Components will also have a much shorter lifespan, and the capacitor banks next to the processor would be prone to a "meltdown". This is most probably a hardware problem with little to do with the grid. Does your CPU have a heat sink? A fan-forced heatsink? Is your computer custom, or bought from a manufacturer whole, like from Dell or other? If it is custom, did you fix in the stock heatsink that came with the processor? If so, you need to buy a better CPU cooler. If you forgot to fix it in, do so *pronto*. However, if it's a mass-produced computer, there should be a heatsink there, but you'd best open your computer after disconnecting te power to take a look. If you are overclocking, turn it off; it's too dangerous, as I experienced with mine. Usage of the grid agent does make the temperature go up by quite abit due to full loading, but it's your constant 70 degrees at idle that I'm worried about. [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Mar 11, 2005 2:38:49 AM] |
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Thanks for your reply. I have a fan and heatsink on the CPU + 2 case fans. I haven't overclocked.
I've cleaned the cpu fan and this has brought down the temperature a few degrees to 66, but it still goes up to 82 when the grid is running. I'll try a new cpu fan, but I'm still worried about the impact of the grid on the temperature. |
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jmcmanus,
I haven't overclocked eather on my Intel P4-3.0HT and you worried me about your temperature readings so I installed the temperature monitor of my Asus mobo just now ( a few minutes ago ) CPU temp stable on 58 C / 136 F with WCG running Mobo temp 32 C / 89 F Since my WCG-active readings are still way below your idle readings in a normal 21 C heated living... I suggest you to try a new CPU cooler/heatsink.... |
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jmcmanus,
It has been several months since I checked manufacturer's recommended temperature limits, but from memory anything at 80 degrees C is a red-hot emergency. I did a slight fan upgrade on my computer a long time ago so at full load I run 48-50 degrees C. Your computer needs to be taken into a shop for some bench time. This is not a WCG problem, this is a real hardware problem of some sort. Lawrence |
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I'm a little less concerned after reading this:
http://www.heatsink-guide.com/content.php?content=maxtemp.shtml |
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You should be concerned.
When I used the intel stock heatsink, I encountered temperatures in excess of sixty degrees idle, and on heavy load it would simply shut down above 70 degrees. Perhaps it's my motherboard's safety system. However, I knew that it was way to hot and instead got a qaud-heatpipe fin-stack for $80 and a tube of thermal paste to cool the cpu. It now runs at 40 degrees idle, 52 degrees single-thread full load, 56 degrees hyperthreaded full load. Using air conditioning, I can cool it down to 34 degrees, but no lower. The grid has no impact on temperature except load. the grid uses CPU power. The more CPU power is used, the hotter it is. Your idle temperature is low because the CPU power usage is minimal. So long as you run ANY program that uses alot of CPU power, it *will* raise your temperature. The grid is an example of one such program. Other examples include hi-performance games like Doom3 or unreal tournament, or utilities like anti-virus scanners. An increase of temperature of P4s would lower performance, or available CPU power. This means that programs requiring alot of CPU power will take alot longer to finish what they need to process. This means that your CPU stays hot longer, lowers performance further cumulatively, and slowly killing the processor, and all components near it. What may people don't think about when it comes to cooling are the components near the processor. All they think of is the CPU, whether it's fine, etc. News: You forgot about the capacitors. That row of components next to the processor. It sound hard to think of, but they are prone to meltdown at high temperatures. Even if they do not meltdown, or 'pop' (aka explode in a small way), their lifespan - or how long you can use your motherboard without sending it to a workshop specialising in capacitor problems - is reduced by months, or years, depending. For the geek who replaces his parts regularly with the newest, this is no problem. But for the average user, your computer is dying faster. The nearer a component is to the end of its lifespan, like humans, their performance decreases too. (no offense to the seniors here) In sumarry: Honestly, you should get a better cooler for your CPU. If you unsure what, or how to, seek professional advice at your nearest computer shop. Don't forget the thermal paste. It can mean a difference of many degrees. |
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jmcmanus,
----------------------------------------When the grid is running on my PC, the CPU temperature goes up to 93 deg Centigrade. It's an Intel P4 3.0ghz and it usually runs at 70 deg centigrade when 'idle'. I read the webpage you pointed to.Should I worry about this? It says: Pentium 4 Max. temperature depends much on model and clock speed, but no clear pattern is visible. Consult Intel's tech specs for information on your particular model. (Lowest: P4 Extreme Edition 3.2GHz with 64°C, highest: P4 Willamette 1.8GHz with 78°C). According to that, anything over 78 degrees C is definitely an emergency according to Intel. Why not go to Intel's website and confirm this if you do not believe us or the website you found on Google. Take your computer in to a shop and pay for bench time to install a heatsink, fix a fan, or do whatever is necessary to keep your computer from overheating. The only no-worry possibility is if the technician proves that your motherboard has a faulty thermocouple and that the CPU is really much cooler. Lawrence Added: Hi, Orca. I saw you were working on a thread when I started to answer this one, but I did not realize we were both handling the same thread. [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Mar 12, 2005 3:28:18 AM] |
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Hi Orca,
----------------------------------------News: You forgot about the capacitors. That row of components next to the processor. It sound hard to think of, but they are prone to meltdown at high temperatures. Even if they do not meltdown, or 'pop' (aka explode in a small way), their lifespan - or how long you can use your motherboard without sending it to a workshop specialising in capacitor problems - is reduced by months, or years, depending. Ah, so THAT happened! I once heard a loud POP coming from my PC (not my current one, though). And shortly after, I found out that the fan of my power supply was no longer functioning. Much later, when I dismantled the system, I also took the power supply apart, and found a popped capacitor. The POP had blown the capacitor off the printed circuit board! We'll never know which happened first: the popping capacitor or the failing fan. But either way they MUST have been related. Thanx for enlightening me! [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Mar 12, 2005 5:32:17 PM] |
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Hiya Jim,
Yep you've got a situation on ya hands there. I found that when I got the Grid agent up and running my processor got a little hotter, but not that hot. I naturally got in a flap about it and hoovered out about a years worth of fluff and dust from my PC, that bought the temp down considerably. I removed the heatsink whilst doing this and disturbed the Thermal Transfer Material. However, not too worried, I put it all back together and it seemed fine, albeit a little on the hot side STILL! SO, a quick trip to the shop for a new thermal Transfer thingy. Pack of about 5 stickers for about £3(GB), the stickers are a lot better and easier to use than the syringe thing. It's worth getting a couple of isopropyl wipes while you're there to clean the old one off the chip. Then get the heatsink off and clean the top of the processor and the base of the heatsink - really clean using the wipes. Make sure you are Mr. Antistatic whilst in there with the chip! Then line up a Thermal Transfer sticker on the base of the heatsink, and clip it all back in place. Once up and running the heat of the processor moulds the sticker around the processor and creates the best possible face-to-face contact, thereby getting heat away from that chip as fast as possible. That dropped my temp by about 9C (measured with processor at 100%). Good luck! If that doesn't work, get hold of the supplier! millio |
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