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courine
Master Cruncher Capt., Team In2My.Net Cmd. HQ: San Francisco Joined: Apr 26, 2007 Post Count: 1794 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Brink,
----------------------------------------The problem goes father than many think. This thread spins a yarn so fallacious and the other thread can only be described as madness, that both together now shoot themselves, and us, in the foot. The clincher is that the admins of this forum have ratified these fairytales of deception and has thrown out the only truth, merely because it looks like a fairytale. http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread?thread=16164 The question is now how many times do we have to watch Henny Penny gun down Chicken Little before they figure out that there has been a murder. ![]() ![]() ![]() [Edit 3 times, last edit by courine at Sep 9, 2007 6:13:03 PM] |
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ryan222h
Senior Cruncher Joined: Sep 4, 2006 Post Count: 425 Status: Offline |
Has anyone considered all the power that is used by Boinc computing. I put a wattage meter on my two pc's and found that when doing nothing, just setting there they consumed 23w. But when are both crunching WCG Bonic work units they are consuming 650 watts. I'm not sure what kind of pc's you are using, but I suggest if you want to contribute and are concerned about the environment, you should do it with more energy efficient computers. I have two laptops, both Core duo 1.8, and the power supply cords for the laptops are both rated at 65 watts. So, with my 4 cores running I'm not using more than 130 watts for sure. Thats for the WHOLE computer, including screen and hard drive use, along with GPU, not just CPU. So you must be in the dark ages with computers that are pulling 650 watts. Let's face it, no matter what we do right now, we are bad for the environment. So, we just need to try and do the best we can with what we've got, and we can work toward the day in which we will have 100 million PC's working on these complex problems using only alternative energy sources such as wind and solar power. We should all look to the future, but in the meantime do as much as we can to make that a reality. I know I'm doing the best I can right now by using only the most efficient computers available to help with the effort. :) ![]() |
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courine
Master Cruncher Capt., Team In2My.Net Cmd. HQ: San Francisco Joined: Apr 26, 2007 Post Count: 1794 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Has anyone considered all the power that is used by Boinc? B5, B5 everyone B5. O72 lucky O72, O72. G35, G35.......... Let's face it, no matter what we do right now, we are bad for the environment. So, we just need to try and do the best we can with what we've got, and we can work toward the day in which we will have 100 million PC's working on these complex problems using only alternative energy sources such as wind and solar power. We should all look to the future, but in the meantime do as much as we can to make that a reality. I know I'm doing the best I can right now by using only the most efficient computers available to help with the effort. :) BINGO! ![]() ![]() ![]() [Edit 2 times, last edit by courine at Sep 11, 2007 7:19:29 AM] |
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KLiK
Master Cruncher Croatia Joined: Nov 13, 2006 Post Count: 3108 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Has anyone considered all the power that is used by Boinc computing. I put a wattage meter on my two pc's and found that when doing nothing, just setting there they consumed 23w. But when are both crunching WCG Bonic work units they are consuming 650 watts. So in the course of year that's 627 watts * 24 hour *365 days = 5492.52 Kilowatts hours in a year. That's a lot of power and produces a huge chunk of green gases especially if live like I do where electricity is produced by burning coal. It's also a cost of $617 in electricity at local rates. Lucky for me I'm in a condo where I effectively dump the cost on my neighbours. I wonder if anyone who is running this clients realizes just how much money they are spending and how much enviromental damage they are doing in the process. The myth that computers are just sitting is just that a myth, newer PC's are actually very energy efficient when they are not data cruncing. but you haven't calculated the work done - which is the main thing here! and several BOINC app are clinate related... so here is my calculation: 23W in idle mode divided by 0 work done is INFINITE POWER CONUMPTION PER WORK! 650W/day in powered BOINC work by (my guess is) 2 jobs completed (and that is underrated) gives 325W/day for JOB DONE! so given these calculations, 325W is much less than INFINITE! ![]() |
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tekennelly
Cruncher Joined: Oct 10, 2005 Post Count: 45 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I have a Lenovo T60P Core 2 Duo laptop that uses 23 watts while running on battery BUT:
1. BOINC is suspended when I run on battery. 2. Laptop display is on its brightest setting 3. The wattage meter is built into the laptop. 4. The CPU setting is on low versus the other available settings of Maximum power, adaptive, low, and lowest. |
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AkBrian
Cruncher Joined: Dec 31, 2005 Post Count: 11 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Some Ideas
Manually turn your monitor off with the power button when you’re not at the computer. Seasonally adjust your BOINC-ing. Leave your computer on in the winter when the computer by-product (heat) offsets other heating methods, and then use it less when you have to pay to get rid of the heat (air conditioning). If you have enough memory, set your computer’s power saving settings in BIOS to allow for the harddrive to power down during periods of inactivity. Upgrade processors to the ultra energy efficient versions, in the AMD Opteron family, those would be the HE series. |
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Sekerob
Ace Cruncher Joined: Jul 24, 2005 Post Count: 20043 Status: Offline |
That HD power-down is positively *NOT* recommended. If you do, you run risk of BOINC to fail as it needs to update certain housekeeping and progress intermediate result files frequently. Power up and down is bad for HDs..... did i not write same 2 days ago, that it is the main source of failure particularly with laptops.... and 23 watts is nothing. Choose between saving a few watts and having to send the disk to the HD-doctor for recovery of that data that has no backup.
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jonathandl
Advanced Cruncher Joined: Nov 12, 2007 Post Count: 106 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Some replies to various comments in this thread...
You can also save energy and money by: ... - walking or using public transportation instead of driving your own car ... Great advice. I only wish that I were to follow it myself. It's just that once, even after decades of using public transportation, you have a car, you can't quite figure out how you lived without it? On an unrelated topic....studies show that if you are guaranteed only have to wait 6 minutes for the next bus, people will prefer public transportation. But I doubt that public transportation will be funded at that level; thus, most of us will keep driving. What I was real[ly] thin[k]ing about was the cost in energy per unit of work for a PC versus a real dedicated super computer. I suspect the PC is a much less power efficient device per unit of work than a dedicated modern super computer. I hypothesis one could pay for the supercomputer for the cost all the extra energy the Pc's use but that will never happen. I think this is a great point. There are several advantages to using a supercomputer:
![]() All Knowing Eye, the reason we calculate based on normal energy use is because World Community Grid only asks that members run the software during the time their computer is normally switched on and in use. Obviously, the green (and cost effective) thing to do is to switch computers off when not in use. However, many of the people here believe strongly in the value of the work World Community Grid do. They consider the cost (in energy and money) to be worth it, so they run their computer for longer than normal. And this research will be done anyway - so whether the energy is used by a supercomputer, by your computer or someone else's computer - that energy will be used. Although resources may be optimized if most users run World Community Grid without changing their usage habits, I think there are many users similar to myself: my earlier habits were to shut off my computer when I was not using it, so my computer was off more, perhaps far more, than it was on. On infrequent occasions the computer may have been off for days on end, or even longer. Now, however, I keep the computer running overnight, and also during most of the day, which probably results in the consumption of an additional 62 kilowatt hours per month than what I would do otherwise. I think that both patterns (people making minimal or no changes in computing habits, and running WCG on the side, and people leaving their computer on all day or all night to run WCG) are common; as fred456 so eloquently pointed out, however, the former pattern is to be encouraged. Now which fairytale do you want believe? 1. That we make a sizable dent in the total CO2 footprint. This is a good point as well. I don't think that BOINC makes a sizeable dent in the total CO2 footprint either. But where's the proof? To prove it, you'd have to crunch more. Ironic, isn't it? |
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retsof
Former Community Advisor USA Joined: Jul 31, 2005 Post Count: 6824 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Now which fairytale do you want believe? 1. That we make a sizable dent in the total CO2 footprint. This is a good point as well. I don't think that BOINC makes a sizeable dent in the total CO2 footprint either. But where's the proof? To prove it, you'd have to crunch more. Ironic, isn't it? How much extra carbon dioxide will you breathe out if you sit there and type out a reply to this message? You can always walk away and let your computer crunch alone while you do something more constructive.
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David Autumns
Ace Cruncher UK Joined: Nov 16, 2004 Post Count: 11062 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Can I jump back into this thread?
----------------------------------------Crunching uses power that would otherwise not be used - fact That's your contribution to this project Super Computers use it by the bucket load ours is distributed around the globe instead of contained in just one building. Producing power by non-renewable means causes various types of pollution - fact The sight of a child with no hair on account of chemo wearing her hat to cover up her embarrassment sat on Mum's knee because she didn't have the strength to join in with the other kids with the hugest of scars down her torso. Think about that little girl before you press the off switch tonight Dave ![]() |
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