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Former Member
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The United States government has imposed sanctions on specific countries, restricting transactions with those nations. Since World Community Grid is hosted in the United States, these restrictions apply. This is what the official answer is from the "World Community" Now is this a world effort or a US effort? |
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I am a bit troubled by the position taken by the WCG as well. While the WCG is hosted in the United States and is obligated to follow US law, I don't think any sanctions imposed on these countries would be violated by listing them. There are a number of cultural and educational interchanges with Cuba, for example, which exist in spite of the sanctions. Rather than having the technicians or administrators of the WCG making the decision not to list those countries, I think they should either ask the US Department of State or their own corporate international lawyers if the listing of these countries would violate US law.
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Its just the general principle of of is this is a "World" effort or a US effort. I like Americans , being a neighbour to the north of them, but its just the continous attitude of America being the World by the politicians.
Nothing will change here, and the grid will go on, but it will do so without 1 member. This may be a good cause.... but it certainly isn't a "world" grid, rather it is a US by the US rules as far as i can see. The loss of 1 person will not be noticed, but I for one have decided to draw a line. Best of luck in the grid. |
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MLCBA
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Its just the general principle of of is this is a "World" effort or a US effort. I like Americans , being a neighbour to the north of them, but its just the continous attitude of America being the World by the politicians. Nothing will change here, and the grid will go on, but it will do so without 1 member. This may be a good cause.... but it certainly isn't a "world" grid, rather it is a US by the US rules as far as i can see. The loss of 1 person will not be noticed, but I for one have decided to draw a line. Best of luck in the grid. Not one but 2 . If WCG is going to follow the US government and discard people from other countries I am discarding WCG. Sorry gang ( My Online Team) but I can't support such injustice. It's one thing to boycott a country but to do that the people living there is a different matter. In the next couple of hours all my devices will be permanently disconnected. I am furious so I'll will not say much. USA s.... U |
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joatmon
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I think the answer is BS. setiathome has participants from Cuba
seti@home is run out of berkely California. That is in the United States. http://setiathome2.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/countries.html scroll to #93 Efforts like this should unite people from all countries, instead of dividing them, and shouldn't be a political tool. ![]() |
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Makes sense. Certainly not all citizens of these countries stand 100% behind all of their governments actions, but to impose sanctions on a government is to impose sanctions on all of it's people. It's an unfortunate reality. Either dislike the US for the sanctions or dislike your government for causing the sanctions to be enforced.
----------------------------------------In this instance I would have to raise the issue that sometimes even prisoners are allowed to work when it is for the common good. BTW, the data that is used in the Seti project comes from the Arecibo telescope in Puerto Rico. The fact that the data is being processed and partly funded by an educational instute may also bypass sanctions. I found that link to be rather interesting. Check out what it looks like when you organize it by average cpu time per work unit: http://setiathome2.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/country_by_avg_cpu.html Cuba ranks @ 66 US ranks @ 189 A better comparison could be obtained by looking at countries that have about the same amount of members. Otherwise this would indicate that the US has weaker computers than almost all other countries! Looks like the US has more members of Seti than the next top 10 or 20 countries combined, so it would be inaccurate to compare the results. Then again, this would still assume that there are no supercomputers involved. [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Dec 20, 2004 9:30:06 PM] |
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David Autumns is doing some research on this and trying to come up with some wording. To keep everyone informed I will post something he is quoting from the UD site that I personally find quite enlightening:
Export Law Assurances. This software is subject to export controls under the United States Export Administration Act and the regulations thereunder. Member acknowledges that this software is not intended for use by a government end-user, as defined in part 772 of the Export Administration Regulations. Member agrees and certifies that neither the Licensed Program nor any other technical data received from UD, nor the direct product thereof, will be shipped, transferred, or exported, directly or indirectly, to any country in violation of any applicable law, including the United States Export Administration Act and the regulations thereunder. ...thus... The following countries do not currently appear on any country selection lists within the United Devices web sites. CUBA IRAN IRAQ NORTH KOREA LIBYA SERBIA SUDAN SYRIA Personally, I grew up reading MAD Magazine, so I know the right expression to put on my face as I consider how to avoid shipping software to certain countries by omitting their names from a drop down list on the Internet. [Grin] So the main problem is how to explain this in a completely serious tone of voice while keeping a straight face. ![]() |
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![]() ![]() Team Cuba If you want to represent a country you can simply type it as I typed mine under my name AND join the team named "Cuba" AND if you're feeling a bit ambitious you could put it in your signature box which displays after your message. So there are plenty of ways to represent your country on here. The ONLY exception will be that it will not be listed in the stats on the "per region" page. If other grid projects are to be used for comparison then I wouldn't think this "per region" stat would be of significance due to the large amount of dominating countries which would take up the first dozen places and push the others off the page. I suppose it's only the thought that counts, right? |
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MLCBA
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Or like me don't do anything with americans.
----------------------------------------In majority they are stupid. They re-elected Bush. ![]() I think that since WCG is following to the letter what the US government ask they could use the GRID for other things then it is suppose to do. I can't trust them. I only have 2 devices still active and not for long. No wonder they (The americans ) are getting so paranoid. They bring it on themself. |
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I suppose it's only the thought that counts, right? Its not the thought that counts..... It is a simple question of right or wrong. This is "supposed" to be a World Community Grid for the Entire World and not just USA Centric. So if Canada manages to piss of the US next or if "old Europe" pisses of the Americans... are these next to be omited from the country list? Anyhow it is all irrevelant for me now. The software has been deleted from my computer at home, and I have issued a memo "advising" that all office machines have the Grid software removed from them. Best of luck and Seasons Greetings....... ![]() |
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