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Re: Cuba and the reasons it isnt showing

The software has been deleted from my computer at home, and I have issued a memo "advising" that all office machines have the Grid software removed from them.



Sorry to see you and any others leave, Harvey. I too considered removing the WCG software, but if I was going to be consistent, I would need to remove all US based software from my computer from all US companies that do not choose to violate US law (which includes Microsoft Products ). I personally felt it would be hypocritical for me to exempt Bill Gates, and abandon the nonprofit WCG. I don't know what other software you are advising be removed from your office machines, but this is something you may want to consider.

Instead of WCG, I could go to SETI and search for Extraterrestrials, as they do include Cuba and other countries as a user pointed out. For the time being, I will try and help find treatments/cures for diseases such as cancer, Alzheimers, AIDS, or malaria here on the less than perfect WCG. As I mentioned in another Cuba thread, I have affiliated my nationality with Mauritius in support of their tolerance and harmony among those of diverse ethnic and religious backgrounds.

By the way, I noted that Canada is also a member of the Wassenaar Arrangement and accordingly also has export controls on software cryptography technology as well, so I don't know if hosting the WCG in Canada would get around this issue.
http://www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca/trade/eicb/military/gr1150-en.asp?#category1150

Whatever you do, thanks for your contributions while you were here, and best of luck with any project you decide to join in the future, although I wish you preferred to stay.


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Re: Cuba and the reasons it isnt showing

Or like me don't do anything with americans.
In majority they are stupid. They re-elected Bush. angry with a majirity of votes.... What more proof do you need?
I think that since WCG is following to the letter what the US government ask they could use the GRID for other things then it is suppose to do.
I can't trust them. I only have 2 devices still active and not for long.

No wonder they (The americans ) are getting so paranoid. They bring it on themself.

mlcba, before you abandon the WCG, please consider the following, in (partial) defense of my country.

Bush was re-elected, yes. However, despite his claims of a "sweeping victory", in reality he won with 51% of the vote, compared to Kerry's 48%. Bush received 60.6 million votes, comared to Kerry's 57.2 million. That's 3.4 million, if my math is correct. And a 3% margin of victory hardly seems "sweeping", in my world. That's a whole lot of people who did NOT want to put that man back in office.

Then, take the still-larger concept of 117.8 million voters in a country of over 250 million... only 60.6 of which actually stepped up and voted for Bush.

I am personally appalled that Bush is back in office. But considering I live in the "blue" (pro-Kerry) state of California, and looking over the numbers, I'm not willing to toss away the entire country and move to Canada just yet, despite a good amount of temtation, because, frankly, there are a LOT of people over here who DIDN'T want him in office... almost as many as those who did. 3% difference.

Am I happy with the direction a slim majority is leading this country in? No. Am I doing my best to change things? You bet. Is contributing to a non-profit project to help cure cancer, disease, etc. going to help Bush, or is it more likely to help others? I believe it will help others more than Bush, unless he suddenly develops a life-threatening illness that could benefit from the scientific knowlege this project was designed to produce. So if someone wants to abandon the project because of a few retarded governmental policies and a leader who won by a very slim majority, ignoring the other 48% of the country AND the more-than-half of the country who did NOT vote at all, let alone vote for Bush, then so be it.

But I'm staying put, because I think it's a good cause, overall. I disagree with the stance on Cuba and some other countries, but pulling my systems away from the effort isn't going to change this country's Cuban stance one bit. And instead, it could cost lives, because without everyone's help, it takes that much longer to process the data. And time is the one thing that people who desperately need the cures this project can help produce do NOT have.
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The software has been deleted from my computer at home, and I have issued a memo "advising" that all office machines have the Grid software removed from them



Harvey, I am leaving my software up for the moment, but I have to chuckle about it....... I spoke to an IBM type in Quebec about it...and he rolled his eyes and muttered something about ....well you know IBM US is IBM US and we both chuckled and grinned and discovered we are both heading to the same resort in Varadero Beach (Cuba for the Americans). But seriously I see where you are coming from. I have had my temper rise several times when going thru US customs when they have noticed the cuban visa's in my passport. Never mind that it is legal in Canada ...but it seems to really raise their hackles. And being in the forestry field in Canada, I regularly get pissed with the US as probably those in the dairy and pork and cattle industries. But that is the price we have to pay for having the US as a neighbour to us. ANyhow... I will raise a bottle of cuban rum and enjoy a good cigar while I am down there.


Merry Christmas to all
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Just a chuckle that I dont think anybody has noticed about this forums area before.


Right at the bottom of the page:

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Copyright © 2002-2004 by MyVietnam.net

I guess the US has forgiven Viet Nam.
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cool Re: Legal fig leaves

Rudi, I pointed out mvnForum some weeks ago to NoMAD. What I should do is mention that I am from South Carolina. A few years ago the railroads passing through South Carolina lobbied to try to get a ruling keeping lawsuits from being brought against them in one county of South Carolina. One law firm there was consistently able to get large awards on cases originating all over the country.

The idea of a company intentionally breaking a law for some political grandstanding strikes me as being suicidal. There are always greedy individuals looking for a way to get rich. When I quoted the UD website to show that a law was involved, I was making a point that apparently impressed me far more than others.

If you can afford good lawyers, all that you need is a fig leaf to cover yourself with, and your lawyers can protect you in court. I think that I can recognize a legal fig leaf as well as anyone else. A drop down menu is just a legal fig leaf. But without it you can be in serious trouble.

What surprises me is that people approach this as a political topic rather than a legal topic. As popular as John Grisham's books have been lately, I would think that people would automatically simply discuss this as a courtroom tactic.

I am editing this to mention that I am delivering presents tomorrow. But tomorrow night I'll be back to talk about South Carolina court awards if anybody has not heard about them. [Grin]
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Re: Cuba and the reasons it isnt showing

Rudi,

Be careful to not download and run the WCG agent when you are at Vardero Beach
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Re: Cuba and the reasons it isnt showing

When you get to the beach just rent a catboat and scoot into the international water area then go to the poop deck and squirt the bird and crunch away your protein!

SIA ta doze not down wif da lingo. Y'all internashonel homies wil know dowt hav truble deciphering dis jargon. Englich iz hard'nuff az it tiz. Write?
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Re: Cuba and the reasons it isnt showing

Rudi,

Be careful to not download and run the WCG agent when you are at Vardero Beach




Just may take the laptop along and run the grid to see what happens.... I hope I dont get a big USAF birdie dropping manure all over me...


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Re: Cuba and the reasons it isnt showing

I suppose it's only the thought that counts, right?

Its not the thought that counts..... It is a simple question of right or wrong.


To me, it´s not primarily the thought that counts, nor is it about the theoretical-ethical question of whether it is right or wrong. To me, in this case, it´s the result that counts. What would I accomplish if I were to stop contributing? I´d give a very weak signal to the WCG that I disagree. And if we´d all withdraw together (which is not a very realistic supposition given the fact that probably many other people agree with the WCG´s stance -- otherwise it wouldn´t have become a law in the US), we´d give a very strong signal but I doubt if IBM/UD/WCG would risk breaking US laws. On the other hand, if I continue to contribute to the grid, I am actively helping mankind and doing Something Good.

So... I agree that it´s not right to leave out Cuba, because this is supposed to be (and pretending to be) a World Community effort, but quitting is IMO an even worse option. However, of course I respect anyone´s choice to do so.
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Re: Cuba and the reasons it isnt showing

What would I accomplish if I were to stop contributing? I´d give a very weak signal to the WCG that I disagree.


And you would achieve nothing at all as this community is such a small subset of the entire Internet that you not being around would not even be noticed - the whole project would just take longer using the resources of those who stay.

And if we´d all withdraw together (which is not a very realistic supposition given the fact that probably many other people agree with the WCG´s stance -- otherwise it wouldn´t have become a law in the US), we´d give a very strong signal but I doubt if IBM/UD/WCG would risk breaking US laws.


I don't agree that many other people agree with the law in the US. This is a relatively old law that has not been repealed. I also think that there are far worse things that a lot of Americans want changed such as their own troops being killed in action every day. I am not saying that they should forget the other countries problems but it is much closer when it is someone you know etc.

Also, I would bet that there is no chance of IBM breaking the law as they get so much work from the US government that it would be commercial suicide. I am sure that there are many people within IBM who do not agree with the law as well but they have their hands tied.


On the other hand, if I continue to contribute to the grid, I am actively helping mankind and doing Something Good.


This is the attitude I wish everyone took. The idea is that we are trying to do something positive for mankind - something that may effect you or someone very close to you at any time.
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