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Thread: Can we get some help in this thread from a CA Please! |
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Sekerob
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Dave, at the start of a project........ is there not now the 'obligatory' few thousand Beta test run WU's? Once started, credit is tuned as things go along, but the margins of change are small. As the method is known up front as is the program, there should be little to no discussion.
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Former Member
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Now on a first pass that seems like the most sane reasonable workable suggestion we've had so far the statistical average of work units on each project to points conversion faster machines more work units more points ticks all the boxes (man you can hear the but stampeeding to the post) I'm liking this idea it's a good 'un Sek (it's almost upon us - quick jump out of the way) It's certainly the best so far (sorry it's just arrived) But  where would we be at the start of a project?Could we implement a scheme where points could go up as well as down based on a statistical average for each project that would converge to an ever more accurate point? Hello again all. David, not quite the first time, perhaps more succinct...http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread?thread=8853#71336 Yes, a statistical average scheme would be desireable. Cross project stats even more so. For what it is worth the points I posted in the other forum worked out to average about 63.5 and overall that is almost exactly what was claimed and awarded. This would seem a good starting point for FAAH. I wish you all possible success dealing with IBM on this, perhaps they can be awakened after 13 years comatose. Who knows? Cheers. ozylynx  (edit) at the start of a project a few WU would need to be benchmarked against a known computer in order to determine a starting score. [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Oct 30, 2006 6:03:26 PM] |
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Former Member
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Hello all ... I have seen this "quote" before ...
Mostly ill gained by using BOINC and Boinc Cheaters very "mature" statements, are they not? I do not give one hoot for points, though my team thrive on them ... the reason I chose this "project" was a simple one I use Linux as my OS Can I say I resent being called a cheat, not to my face, but the implications are there and have been taken personally. I could go and fart around and get Windows and WinBionc to work on my Linux, I don't see any reason to do that. So, with out further ado, I take my Linux PCs and I'll go elsewhere ... I'll formally withdraw as captain of my team via my own forums. That may entice some to discontinue also with this "project" I hope not ... still, we are only a small team so you shouldn't notice a few missing PCs Have a nice day, children.  |
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David Autumns
Ace Cruncher UK Joined: Nov 16, 2004 Post Count: 11062 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Gracious me Muckshifter lighten up I never called anyone a cheat hey I was expressing the fact that the points system is unfair between those crunching with UD and those crunching with BOINC hey I feel slightly guilty at my 2 1/2 Million + points and it's something I wouldn't brag about purely for this reason I'm much happier with my measure of 6 + years of crunching with the project just because at the moment this is a more honest measure of all our contributions.
----------------------------------------hence most of the contents of this thread searching for the consensus I'm sorry if you have taken it personally and taken the step to abandon the research over here.  ozylynx I'm sorry I missed your earlier suggestion a case of not seeing the wood for the tree's Sek has clarified the idea and backed up his argument with the beta trial stage as this has only recently been launched we until HPF2 faltered didn't have this luxury. It would mean that points already had could be removed if the trend for work unit length reduced (the flip side would also hold true) still got this nagging UD/BOINC thing the BOINC points would be reduced by the UD'ers. The more members we could encourage to move over to BOINC the higher the average score per WU (Muckshifter this isn't aimed at you honest  ) and best of all it could be applied to everyone retropectively and the Best OS would also be rewarded (notice how I managed to sidestep the which is the best OS question )So those are the Pro's and apart from a great deal of Database Work for knreed back at WCG HQ. What are the Cons?  |
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Former Member
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Hi David - thanks for clarifying things for the benefit of our team captain, as a result I hope he will reconsider
 I seem to remember contributing to a similar topic by you on this very subject of Boinc v UD points some time ago, and I recall at no time did you ever suggest anyone was cheating by using it - it was merely the issue that users could gain more points as a result. I think many members have become frustrated by the disgusting and disgraceful antics of 'that' person and also the apparent lack of action by the WCG/IBM hierarchy - I still await a reply to my email to them on that subject. I fear that nothing less than some visible evidence by way of an announcement of their actions will prevent others leaving this project - which unfortunately plays into 'that' persons hands. If my fellow team members decide that withdrawal from the project is their only way of demonstrating their disgust at the apparent inaction, then I would regretably have to follow - those that know me will understand my loyalty. Its seems a shame after I have just completed over 5 years of runtime here..... |
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David Autumns
Ace Cruncher UK Joined: Nov 16, 2004 Post Count: 11062 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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"by you on this very subject of Boinc v UD points some time ago"
----------------------------------------Yep I've been banging on about the "issue" for a while - man I have to watch my words. Adywebb it feels like 2 or 3 months maybe more. We've had 2 weekends on the boards ruined by the underlying unrest I'm hoping with the output of this thread to add to the already bulging thread behind the scenes to make a sensible case for a way forward to IBM Then I'm hoping I won't have to engage my endless patience with the IBM WCG Crew (Any news on the free use of the WCG Logo IBM? <controversial>) Does the evidence point to a gagged bunch of CA I think not I'm calling it a day I'll call it Monday Nite all from the UK Dave  |
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Former Member
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Does the evidence point to a gagged bunch of CA I think not I'm not sure being gagged is the issue - it just requires someone from WCG/IBM to step up to the plate and do something. However I would not like to see these forums go the way of some like F@H and Grid where anything remotely off topic or risque is censored and removed. There is a happy medium, and we always seem to handle things in a reasonable way here - it just requires that when an exception arrives such as recently, then visible firm action is taken. |
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Former Member
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I fear that nothing less than some visible evidence by way of an announcement of their actions will prevent others leaving this project - which unfortunately plays into 'that' persons hands. If what you want is visible evidence that action is being taken, here it is. We are aware of the issues that exist with regards to points, and are currently developing solutions for these various problems. Because of the problems with regards to points, some people have perceived using one version of the software or another, or using one platform/operating system or another as cheating. There are ways to cheat, but downloading a version of the software that works with your platform/operating system from World Community Grid, and then running that software, is not cheating. If you do that and you think someone is calling you a cheater, you can safely ignore them. In fact, I implore you to ignore them. |
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Former Member
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However I would not like to see these forums go the way of some like F@H and Grid where anything remotely off topic or risque is censored and removed. I wouldn't either. Mostly because it's my job to enforce the censorship here and I have much better things to be doing. |
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Former Member
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Thanks nelsoc - your input is appreciated, however that quote I made was not related to the points issue or being called a cheat etc.
It relates to the apparent inaction of the hierarchy to prevent a 'member' from posting vile, obscene and disgusting posts with impunity. Things may be happening behind the scenes to prevent this occuring, but what we require is some VISIBLE sign that action is being taken, such as a read-only post stating what you have done, otherwise the membership will have no confidence that it will not occur again. |
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