carl.h taken onboard


so even within BOINC there is a disparity between windows and linux!

The plot thickens

having said that no one is interested in Linux that is why IBM followed up the BOINC trail in the first place to bring Linux and now Mac OS onboard so they did go after this rich seam largely on account of the /. interest at the time which didn't bring it's expected return probably due to the perceived delay to it's introduction.

Way back I remember there being talk of a multiplication factor between the BOINC points and those reflected on the WCG I hesitate to call it a fiddle factor in the company we keep but it was adjusted downwards after the early reports of large gains to be had by running Linux maybe this tweak was a tweak too far. I think orginally it was set to *10 and was reduced to *7 I don't know what happened when BOINC for Windows occured but at the time and still I can get 2.5 Times my UD point output running BOINC.

All is not fair in love and war but we CA's not just me but also Lawrence Didactylos and RT are trying to get some response from IBM but it's like getting blood from a stone (one of the kinder metaphors). A lot of carefully constructed posts have gone on behind the scenes to bring this currently contentious issue to some sort of satisfactory outcome but IBM are as ever concentrating on boarding the next project and as ever we the crunchers are being ignored (I need to say again that a CA is just a mere mortal not attached to IBM cruncher just like you with just another forum in which to let off steam on your behalf to which IBM should be listening but it's currently V quiet in there)

OK what about a different approach? Stopping support for the UD Client

(Lights blue touch paper and retreats to a safe distance)


Dave

Stopping support for the UD client

I think there maybe problems there with the single users who are not dedicated to crunching as Boinc users tend to be. When first approaching Boinc it can be difficult especially without team support. Our team are long time crunchers and quite a few had difficulty attaching to WCG which was overcome by team effort. Without this support a lot of users maybe lost.

What appears reasonably simple to the experienced is often a nightmare to the uninitiated.
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Going back to previous discussion, if you look around the projects and see how points are such a contentious and passionate issue and how a lot of power can suddenly be switched from one to another through this issue, it is not something to be taken lightly.

After 5 1/2 years I still need something to drive me, the points system really does matter it IS the driving force out here between competitive teams who contribute a lot of power.

UD Grid since 2002 have seen that power drop by 66% in time contributed, when infact it should be the reverse. I for instance had one machine there, I now have 4 duals. UD Grid lost users for other reasons not points, most being failures in communication.

There are people out here who will give a good project their all and will inject a lot of cash into it via hardware. It is upto the project managers how seriously they take their own project and how they treat this volunteer workforce. Good communication will win hearts and more importantly machines. If the ultimate goal is important to the managers then a fair points system is one of the main keys. If you can go to the management and say I think we can improve the speed of return by 30% by giving Linux a fairer points system via Boinc and they turn you down then I would seriously question their motivation.

Teams like XS and Teddies will be disappointed to hear that communication between you and IBM is not good. We put all our hearts and souls into the project along with untold cash via hardware.....Just look at XS catching EasyNews. If we think that IBM couldn`t care less about it how does that affect morale in the workforce ?

By going to a boss and realistically saying hey I can give you 30% more profit easily without you doing a lot and him ignoring it is absurd. There is already a formula for bringing Linux into line with Windows regard Boinc points and apparently it`s not a hard task. With the information that Linux would crunch a WU in 50% of the time lot`s would switch to it, IBM would be extremely foolish to ignore this !

Leave me something GM........I`m still with AA !!!

Oh and carl.h I'm Dave Autumns and I'm a crunching addict too


to any new cruncher out there run now while you still have the chance

First my feelings to the gentleman and his feelings about XS:
XS stats as relates to WU and that means the work done and not anything to do with points is this:
Results Returned (Rank)
177,233 ..............(#21)
That is mostly accomplished in the last 60 days as it was late August when we came to WCG in force.
Those numbers speak for themselves in a way that not even you can debate using any reasonable logic.
As to getting rid of the points,I think thats a mistake.
I've allways beleived that the points are what brings many people into DC at least at the start and then they start to understand that they can make a difference.
Linux: I'm not a Linux user but many at XS are and I see no reason why one OS should be penalized vs another.
I'm all for anything that can be done to give the Linux users a fair shot here as that would extend a big welcome to many that currently shy away from WCG just for that penalty.

To David Autums:
Runtime isn't a fair measure of contribution.
I can run two old P2-450's for 24 hours and they can't compare to what a C2D at 3600mhz with 2 cores can contribute but both would show 48 hours of runtime at the end of one day..
Using runtime IMO is a big mistake.