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Re: Welcome to the “Help Defeat Cancer” project

Unlike the other projects which allocate a lot of virtual memory but use only a small portion for most of the time, this project uses lots of memory and touches most of it all the time. Thus if the machine had less than that amount of ram, paging activity (moving memory contents to disk and back) would go way up and make the machine sluggish. Thus we set the minimum high enough to not cause problems. There are periods of time during which the application has less virtual memory allocated, but when it gets to the points where more is needed, this requires a higher minimum.

If virtual memory were not enabled, then you would find that you might not be able to load some applications for normal work. We have other projects in the works which will need less memory, and will probably have some that need even more.
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Re: Welcome to the “Help Defeat Cancer” project

any help in the way of a formula for less RAM ? like with 458 RAM, would setting 3 Gbytes virtual memory do the trick ? or is there even a way to know that , or would other factors need to be considered?


Sorry the agent has no special formula. It just knows about RAM. Unfortunately the agent is not designed to query virtual memory settings.
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Re: Welcome to the “Help Defeat Cancer” project

Viktors/Kevin, on the 'what if'....on dual core machines with BOINC and 750mb (unlikely) or 1gb RAM running a HDC+HPF2 simultaneously..... was that simulated and would that cause disk thrashing?

Just noticing that the manual throttle of 95% in UD agent is shown in the 'i' screen....EXCELLENT. Added UD_8344644.exe and wcg_hdc_tma.exe to the firewall exceptions (in case someone gets stuck)!
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Re: Welcome to the “Help Defeat Cancer” project

Hello there. I am really glad something like this has come up. Camcer is a terrible and cruel disease.
Last year we lost bob Moog creater of the moog synthesiser. It's almost the anniversary of his passing. Lets all crunch in memory of this great man.
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Re: Welcome to the “Help Defeat Cancer” project

Ok - another question:

I see that the project is now selected by default over at My Projects, therefore I assume if you are running Boinc, then it will apply to ALL machines regardless of profile - what happens then in the case of where one of the Boinc machines is not of sufficient spec, will it just reject any HDC units and download any of the others you have selected, or will it try to donload the science and then pause/cause problems?

Is this going to mean that you will have to unselect the HDC project for all your Boinc machines if one of them is under spec, or will you have to run that machine under the UD Agent and select another project? - or worse still run that machine with Boinc under a seperate username?

Is the forthcoming new version of Boinc, or WCG settings in the future going to allow individual project selection for each Boinc machine?

So many questions, so little time.... smile
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I'd also like an answer to Ady's question - I run a range of different spec'd machines smile
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Re: Welcome to the “Help Defeat Cancer” project

Well, I turned off HPF2 and FAAH so I had just HDC running. One of my BOINC machines with only 512 Meg RAM got a Message from the server saying it was refused work because it did not meet the minimum RAM requirement for HDC. It did not download science apps, stall or hiccup, just sat there quietly like a good puppy.

No problem. That machine can still crunch HPF2 or TANPAKU.
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BOINC reports the amount of RAM, so it should not be a problem. Any machine without enough RAM will not download a HDC unit.
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Thanks Lawrence - I see that you say 'it should not be a problem' - has this been tested, or is it more like hope?

What is not exactly clear is whether it will then just happily download another projects unit without a hitch.

I take it this will also mean you are not going to be able to select HDC only if you want work on all your machines, therefore you will have to accept a mixture of WU's from all selected projects on all your Boinc machines.

Do you know whether there is likely to be the ability to assign projects individually to boinc machines in the furture?

Another question just raised by one of my team members is will the increased HD space required with this project be done automatically, or does it require the profile setting of 'use no more then xxx Gigabytes' to be changed as well, ie if someone has changed the default from 10GB to say 2GB is that going to be adequate?

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Re: Welcome to the “Help Defeat Cancer” project

if you want work on all your machines, therefore you will have to accept a mixture of WU's from all selected projects on all your Boinc machines.
We do not recommend a HDC-only profile. The work units are slowly generated by a scanner working over a Tissue Micro Array, which has been prepared by a skilled technician. We hope to soon be returning results almost as fast as they can prepare the slide. Fast turnaround will let them experiment quickly with different techniques for staining and preparing the slides. But this means that a machine dedicated to HDC-only will often be waiting idle.

The increase in HD space should not be bad. Unless you are running multiple projects, I would imagine that 1 GB covers it with room to spare.

But I am just guessing until we have been running it for a few days.

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