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What a nuisance !!!!!!

I do not like the new 'default' CPU usage of only 60%.

I have 3 machines running UD and:

a. if I had not read this forum I would not have known about the decreased usage;
b. I had to download and reset every machine separately;
c. the explanation of the new default is not clear about exactly what types of machines were affected by slow-downs.

I would have thought leaving the default usage at 100% would be much simpler and better for the majority of people involved! All 3 of mine are now set at 100% again, exactly as I intended them to be.
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Re: What a nuisance !!!!!!

I think the major reason for the change is to retain members. Too many people run the grid for a few days, see the 100% in task manager, and decide it's more than their boxen can take. It's a reasonable view. There are risks associated with crunching, and it's important not to be blind to them.

WCG have decided that the increased active membership offsets the loss of direct CPU usage.

Still, I would like to know how the mechanism works, so I can advise people properly on making the change to multiple computers.

For the die-hard crunchers, my advice (as ever) is "migrate to BOINC".

I think the explanation about slow-downs is slightly disingenuous. Most actual delays are caused by paging. Of the tiny remainder, some delays are caused by conflicts with certain programs that occassionally run low priority threads in the background (AutoCAD for example) - and some delays remain unexplained. Throttling may help some of these situations, but won't help with the paging.
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Re: What a nuisance !!!!!!

Halfcard, like it or not it is here and with good reason...read the announcements and threads......running UD, use the offered tool to set it higher, using BOINC, you will still churn at 100%. Had u be using BOINC, you could have controlled it all from a single machine!

As to the specific processors who suffer from this de-throttle, appreciate that a unaware person could be unwittingly impaired by WCG, which they correctly do not want to be responsible for.....IT MUST BE AND REMAIN AN UNINTRUSIVE PROCESS THAT MAKES VOLUNTEERING AN EASIER DECISION! Anyone wanting to fully unleash the CPU power can elect to do so....its a voluntarey opt-in.

now watch, because i will be overtaking you in the near future, in the right lane laughing
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Re: What a nuisance !!!!!!

Still, I would like to know how the mechanism works, so I can advise people properly on making the change to multiple computers.

The GUI tool that we have made available is for the convenience of non-techies. It provides a very straightforward way for people to adjust their CPU utilization. The primary use is to control the CPU temperature. As to impact on the machines, paging is still primary reason.

The way the throttle tool works is simple: it's just sets a registry entry.
Key: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\IBM\World Community Grid
DWORD Value: 'CPU Throttle'
Value: anywhere from 25 - 100.

This allows several benefits:

  • You can make a .reg file that you can easily import to many machines without having to go to each one physically.
  • Allows you to dynamically adjust the throttle in response to exceeding temperature thresholds. e.g. Many CPU/Fan monitors allow you to call programs when certain conditions arise. You could write a simple script/program that lowers the CPU usage if the temperature exceeds 60C, and raise it when the temp drops below 50C.


You should also be aware that not just HPF2 is affected by this new default. All the UD apps have been retrofitted with this new setup.

If you happened to use the old environment variable method, that value is copied to the registry the first time it's queried.
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Re: What a nuisance !!!!!!

I feel my concerns are still unaddressed.

1. How are people going to know that their machines now only operate at 60%? I think a lot of people don't read this forum. And digging up the solution was not really fun. I think you should email people about raising it if they wish.

2. What % of computers had a slow-down problem, was it really enough to change everyone's defaults?
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Re: What a nuisance !!!!!!

I can't help noticing this is an HKCU value, so must be set for each user. I'm assuming setting the value in HKLM won't override the value (or be noticed at all?)
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Re: What a nuisance !!!!!!

My task manager said that it was running 98% however after 50 minutes running time my progress was still at zero, so I restarted my machine and it went back to zero so I abouted it. I did not ask for it as my orojects was reset my wcg. Please ask me before hand before you do this again as I only want the faah at this moment.
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Re: What a nuisance !!!!!!

Hello madmac,
Whenever a new project starts, it is selected for everybody by default. Just go to My Grid - My Projects and uncheck the box for HPF2.

Lawrence
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Re: What a nuisance !!!!!!

Hello madmac,
Whenever a new project starts, it is selected for everybody by default. Just go to My Grid - My Projects and uncheck the box for HPF2.

Lawrence


Already done it smile
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Re: What a nuisance !!!!!!

A few more points regarding the new default throttle setting.

1. We want to be as unobtrusive as we can on our members machines, and especially the less techy users who might have a difficult time trying to go through the steps of adjusting the throttle or any other settings.

2. This new default setting may convince some corporations and school systems to join in with a large number of devices, who might otherwise be on the fence, trying to decide whether to deploy agents on their organization's machines. It may also ease any concerns PC manufacturers might have and make them more likely to preload the agent or a link to it. We will see how this goes over time.

3. For those using custom scripted installs, the throttle tool can be run with a parameter to make the setting without using a gui. See the help link within the throttle. For example, to set the throttle to 80%, one would use the tool in this manner from a command line:

WCGridMaxCPU.exe -t 80
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