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Anyone using a Mini PC (like Beelink, Minisforum, GMKtec)?

There's a lot of mini PCs out there from makers like Beelink, Minisforum, GMKtec, or business ones such as from Dell, HP, Lenovo (Tiny Mini Micro) that use lower powered CPUs that are easier on the electric bill.

Anyone using any for WCG or other BOINC projects? I'm considering them but concerned with overheating and things like fan failure, power supply failure, VRM failure, etc if I just turn one loose 100% 24/7.
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Re: Anyone using a Mini PC (like Beelink, Minisforum, GMKtec)?

Those mini PCs are build similar to laptops and are therefore often not really suitable for 100% 24/7, many might run into thermal throttling if used for BOINC. I mean, even standard ATX-size perbuild PCs often suck for BOINC or any noteworthy load in general.

You can configure a standard desktop CPU to similar power usage as the CPUs in those PCs, they are nothing special, just using different power limits. With some real cooler in a real PC case on it instead of those laptop-like noisy crap they put in those mini PCs it will run silently at temperatures you'll never see in those mini PCs.
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Re: Anyone using a Mini PC (like Beelink, Minisforum, GMKtec)?

Link64 said:
You can configure a standard desktop CPU to similar power usage as the CPUs in those PCs, they are nothing special, just using different power limits. With some real cooler in a real PC case on it instead of those laptop-like noisy crap they put in those mini PCs it will run silently at temperatures you'll never see in those mini PCs.


I know the AMD Ryzen 7000 series have a 105 W Eco mode and 65 W Eco mode. The fairly new 8700G APU (desktop CPU) defaults to 65 W TDP but can be configured to 45 W. How would I get a desktop CPU to get down to, say, 35 W or less? The AMD Ryzen Mobile variants like 8845HS is 45 W default but configurable to 35-54 W. It's a desktop CPU but may only be available to OEMs and not retail end users like you or me (sadly). Same with the very new Ryzen 7 Pro 8700GE which is 35 W desktop chip with much of the same capabilities of the full power 8700G that we can buy retail.

It seems that a lot of these "Pro" chips are available only to OEMs and not retail buyers, hence why if we want those CPUs we have to buy a pre-built mini PC. I'd prefer to have them available through retail channels like Amazon/Newegg/Microcenter so enthusiasts can buy one and pop it in our own AM5 motherboard and case of our choosing.

Anyway, do you know how we can buy a full power desktop CPU and configure it down to 35 W or less? I don't know if BIOS/UEFI settings allow lowering the power limits that much -- it would have to be very custom settings and not built-in "Eco" modes.
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Re: Anyone using a Mini PC (like Beelink, Minisforum, GMKtec)?

If you could get a full power desktop CPU and configure it down to 35 W would you expect the same throughput.
Meaning the same amount of WUs done in a given period.
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Re: Anyone using a Mini PC (like Beelink, Minisforum, GMKtec)?

If you could get a full power desktop CPU and configure it down to 35 W would you expect the same throughput.
Meaning the same amount of WUs done in a given period.

It should be a bit less throughput, since lowering power limits usually lowers clock speeds and single-core and all-core boost clock speeds across the board to stay under those PL1/PL2 power limits.

It's a bit less throughput but with the benefit of less power consumption and heat. But honestly, I'd prefer to just get a lower TDP chip to begin with rather than neutering a full power desktop chip, especially if the low TDP chip is cheaper. If it's the same price then no big deal.

I just really want a nice 8 Core/16 Thread 35 Watt TDP chip for WCG to replace my old 4 Core/4 Thread CPUs that consume like 78 Watts from the wall tongue
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  • E5800 (Wolfdale, 2C/2T) @ 3.2 GHz

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Re: Anyone using a Mini PC (like Beelink, Minisforum, GMKtec)?

I would have thought it would be more a 1 to 1 less throughput and not just a bit less as in the less power you use the less output you get.

I have trouble imagining cutting power by almost half and getting just a bit less output but then I don't know.
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Re: Anyone using a Mini PC (like Beelink, Minisforum, GMKtec)?

I would have thought it would be more a 1 to 1 less throughput and not just a bit less as in the less power you use the less output you get.

I have trouble imagining cutting power by almost half and getting just a bit less output but then I don't know.

Yeah, it's pretty great. Check out this article from a couple months ago:

Leaked AMD Ryzen 7 8700GE 35W desktop Zen 4 A...ormance at half the power

It uses about half the power but you don't get half the performance -- it's a bit more.
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  • E5800 (Wolfdale, 2C/2T) @ 3.2 GHz

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Re: Anyone using a Mini PC (like Beelink, Minisforum, GMKtec)?

Same with the very new Ryzen 7 Pro 8700GE which is 35 W desktop chip with much of the same capabilities of the full power 8700G that we can buy retail.
It's not any "pro" chip, it's the same chip with lower default PPT so the OEMs use smaller coolers. The 8700G it can be set to the same 61W (=45W TDP), with manual settings you should be able to configure it like the 8700GE on most mainboards, I have however not tried that with my 5700G. You don't want to go too low anyway, you start loosing efficiency at one point as the rest of the system will use same amount of energy regardless of the speed the CPU is running at. Power supplies are not efficient at very low loads either.
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Re: Anyone using a Mini PC (like Beelink, Minisforum, GMKtec)?

Yeah, it's pretty great. Check out this article from a couple months ago:

Leaked AMD Ryzen 7 8700GE 35W desktop Zen 4 A...ormance at half the power

It uses about half the power but you don't get half the performance -- it's a bit more.

I don't see measurements of power consumption for the entire systems, just looking at the TDP and saying it uses 50%, is complete nonsense, 35W is not even 50% of 65W and the 35W chip is likely more often at that limit than the 65W chip. And than of course you want to know the power consumption of the entire system and not just the CPU cores.
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Re: Anyone using a Mini PC (like Beelink, Minisforum, GMKtec)?

Beelink SER5 works well with Ryzen 5 5560U; I just adjusted the cooler curve to keep the CPU under 75C. The cooler keeps in about 60-70%.
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