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New PC

Looking at a new PC for my home and specially to run World Community grid is a 14900K good for this or should I be looking at the new AMD chips?

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Re: New PC

That will do just fine.

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Re: New PC

An 14900 is a very hot chip, meaning you need a top of the line watercooling solution and it will use a lot of electricity. If you buy the PC purely for Boinc, an AMD 7950x is both cooler and more efficient in it's use of electricity.
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Re: New PC

I know thae 7950X is cooler and quite frankley a beast of a chip for multiple core use it may be the right solution thanks.
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Re: New PC

The 9950X is coming in July. Any improvements in speed or efficiency are currently unknown.

The 7950X is on sale for around $480 now. It typically sold for as low as $510 on a rare sale like Prime Day and as high as $600.
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Re: New PC

Personally have been using 32 core AMD cpu's. I believe they are more efficient than Intel lately. I also downclock them in the summer to reduce power consumption. Keep in mind you have to pay for the electricity to run the system + the air conditioning load to cool it during the summer months.

The 7950x3D is available which includes much more cache (128mb L3 vs 64mb on the 7950x, which provides a meaningful increase in performance for no extra power draw). As mentioned, the 9950x will be available soon as a 16c/32t system on the latest TSMC 4nm process which should be very efficient, much less power usage than the 14900k typically.

Good luck on the new system whichever way you decide to go.
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Re: New PC

Any hard numbers pertaining to Boinc/WCG on that 'meaningful increase'? Does the 7950X3D run 10% more MCM tasks in a day compared to a regular 7950X, for example?
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Re: New PC

Ryzen 9 7950X vs. Ryzen 9 7950X3D, unfortunately without the info on how many cores are actually used for BOINC. Also keep in mind, that only one CCD of the 7950X3D has access to the 64MB additional cache, the other one has the same 32MB as on 7950X. AFAIK the the CPUs with 3D cache are also a bit more difficult to cool. Might not be an issue for gaming PCs, which are the target market for those CPUs, as there rarely all cores will run at full load, but for BOINC it's surely something to think about.
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Re: New PC

Link64 makes a very good point about these top-end processors not really being designed for the sort of constant relatively heavy compute load (and it applies to Intel as well as AMD, of course...)

Whilst the boosted performance will probably lead to higher RAC values, the power usage has to be considered as does the need for high-end cooling solutions to try to avoid thermal throttling (or worse!)

In the thread about mini-PCs there was a suggestion that running a high-performance CPU with a [very] low PPT would be better than running one or more mini-PCs (because of reliability?) -- I'm not sure how low one could take the PPT before the performance became unacceptable, but I will note that I shaved about 10% off the PPT on a 3700X and got significant temperature and power-draw benefits with no obvious drop in performance :-) [That seemed to be a common talking point back when the 3xxx systems were new...]

Similarly, I have a couple of mini-PCs, one with a 5060H (6C/12T) and one with a 7840HS (8C/16T) and although their BIOS interface doesn't allow me to set PPT I've used software control to turn boost off on both of them (bringing temperatures down by 15C or more and probably prolonging fan life as a side-effect!) -- the 7840HS still outperforms my 3700X despite the older machine being able to reach higher peak GHz rates, and even the 5060H outperforms my Intel 7700K (which I've pegged at 4GHz...) so the newer processors are worthwhile even if throttled!

Cheers - Al.

P.S. I never allow BOINC to have access to more than 75% of available CPU threads, so I'm not hammering the CPU quite as hard as some users might be -- however, I suspect that if the workload isn't all MCM1 access to memory might act as a throttle in its own right on most hardware (regardless of cache sizes!) :-)
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Re: New PC

Any hard numbers pertaining to Boinc/WCG on that 'meaningful increase'? Does the 7950X3D run 10% more MCM tasks in a day compared to a regular 7950X, for example?


Perhaps someone with the CPU can chime in on runtimes/etc. From further research into similar science and simulation benchmarks found online it appears to be not always faster than the 7950x but more power efficient than both the 7950x and 14900k.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/21084/intel-co...w-raptor-lake-refreshed/9

On another note, even though processor TDP's are similar between the 14900k and 7950x3d, the Intel system draws more than TWICE the maximum power (electricity) compared to the AMD system despite their claimed TDP numbers being not that far off. Multiple reviewers came up with similar results. This would be a dealbreaker for a system running most if not all the time from an ongoing costs perspective.
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