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Laptop Shuts Down

For many years I ran WCG using the website settings set to Max on my AMD FX-8370 that according to the AMD website had "# of CPU Cores 8" & "# of Threads 8" flat out 24/7/365 with NP. I even at times played an MMO & didn't even no it was running wink

in the WCG settings page it always showed 8 processors? as you would think it should? it was after all always referred to as an "8 Core CPU"?

Now I just bought a new ASUS laptop to replace my now ancient PC that has a Ryzen 5 5500U that again according to the AMD website has "# of CPU Cores 6" & "# of Threads 12"? Well guess how many WU's I received/started to run? 12!?! shock

it runs for a few min then shuts down.

Now in the Device profiles/my default profile under "The number of processors used will be the lesser of the two fields below." is shows 12,

"On multiprocessors, at most use: 12 processors"??? From all I know shouldn't that be 6 not 12??? I can't help but feel that is why its heating up to the point of shutdown? sick
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Re: Laptop Shuts Down

2 items:

#1 You can list the maximum number of work units to 6 by using the custom settings in the device settings. This would ensure you only get 6 and would not have any hyperthreading.
#2. You have a laptop. Laptops are notorious for having inadequate cooling, so even if they are capable of running flat out using all 12 threads, they tend to overheat due to not being engineered to run any length of time at full throttle. The problem is not the chip, but the laptop manufacturer not building the case or the cooling mechanism with adequate capacity for the chip performance over long periods of time, maybe as short as 15 to 20 minutes or less.
Not running any laptops, I will not offer any possible solutions. Perhaps others might. It would be helpful to know which model of laptop you have.

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"On multiprocessors, at most use: 12 processors"??? From all I know shouldn't that be 6 not 12??? I can't help but feel that is why its heating up to the point of shutdown? sick

Correct ..."On multiprocessors, at most use: " controls how many threads / work units execute at one time.

Ryzen 5500U is a 6 core hyperthreaded processor.

6 threads (or cores) without hyperthreading
12 threads (or cores) with hyperthreading

Setting the thread count to less than 12 should reduce the amount of heat produced and stop the laptop from shutting down.
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  • i5-10400 (Comet Lake, 6C/12T) @ 2.9 GHz
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Here is what I found using Boinc Manager only. I left the WCG profile setting at defaults.

On the Options/Computing preferences
At most use xxx % of CPUs: will control how many core/theads to use. On your 6/12 core/theads machine 50% would mean 6 WUs
At most use xxx % of CPU time: will control how much time the CPU will use. 50% would mean only process boinc 50% of the time.

So 100% and 50% respectively would mean process 12 WUs 50% of the time. I have no idea where your good settings would be.... and would this be as good as 50% and 100% respectively.

You can use HWiNFO (SpeedFan or other) to monitor the temperature.

I tried one of those gadgets with fans on the bottom you sit the laptop on and saw not much difference. They get power from USB so don't use the USB from the laptop.

The laptops I have are older 2/4 cores/threads so not really screamers.

This is your CPU:
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+5+5500U&id=4141
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6 threads (or cores) without hyperthreading
12 threads (or cores) with hyperthreading


Ahhh Hyper-threading is the key to the confusion! silly I've obviously heard the term b4 but no clue.

Could you guys please suggest a good Safe settings as Sgt.Joe suggest keeping its a laptop in mind? *I do/would like to continue running it all the time tired (*I use/will use it as my desktop PC now always on ac power the majority of the time)

I tried reducing it from 100% to 50% here on the WCG website settings?(@Sgt.Joe that is what i've always used for all my BOINC projects & am used to) and that seems to make it run 6 WU's as compared to 12 WU's? Again taking my past exp into account where they were always considered an "8 core"? the new one is considered a "6 core" by the same metric? thinking

*PS- on more reflection of your replies? I Think that is basically what AgrFan is saying??? as long as you Reduce it to "6 cores" it should be ok? thinking

please excuse my dumbness lol I just want to be 100% sure wink

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Try it my way. Leave the WCG setting at default.

Using Boinc Manager I just tried it now. Changing the "At most use xxx % of CPUs" to 50 and saving I saw the number of tasks drop from 4 to 2. Then 50 to 100 it went up to 4 again.

But if your way works then OK. If you have more than 1 device and they all use the same profile then the setting will apply to all.

Using Boinc Manager you can tune each device individually.
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Try it my way. Leave the WCG setting at default.

ok ok! crying I liked the WCG settings page not talking

I Litarally just looked at the BOINC Manager setting page(computer preferences) for the first time in decades lol shock its looks so much better than it use to lol cool

So should I adjust it to 6??? And then if maybe it seems to run hot reduce it to 5 etc.?

Again? Please bear with me, I always worry F'in with this stuff/PC. I am OCD. TY.
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Try it my way. Leave the WCG setting at default.

ok ok! crying I liked the WCG settings page not talking

I Litarally just looked at the BOINC Manager setting page(computer preferences) for the first time in decades lol shock its looks so much better than it use to lol cool

So should I adjust it to 6??? And then if maybe it seems to run hot reduce it to 5 etc.?

Again? Please bear with me, I always worry F'in with this stuff/PC. I am OCD. TY.


"At most use xxx % of CPUs" to 50


Either way should work equally well.

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TY for your replies ;-)
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*PS- on more reflection of your replies? I Think that is basically what AgrFan is saying??? as long as you Reduce it to "6 cores" it should be ok? thinking

You should be OK setting the number of processors to 6 and the processor usage percentage to 100%.

Default Profile settings
On multiprocessors, at most use: 6 processors
On multiprocessors, use: 100% of processors

Options/Computing preferences
Use at most 50 % of CPUs
Use at most 100% of CPU time

I have a i7-2600 Dell Optiplex (4C/8T, 4 units) and a Dell Inspiron i5-3330 (4C/4T, 2 units) set to 50% in Boinc Manager to keep the heat down.

Be aware your points production will be less than your previous FX-8370 system since you are running 6 units instead of 8 units at a time.
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  • i5-10400 (Comet Lake, 6C/12T) @ 2.9 GHz
  • i5-7400 (Kaby Lake, 4C/4T) @ 3.0 GHz
  • i5-4590 (Haswell, 4C/4T) @ 3.3 GHz
  • i5-3330 (Ivy Bridge, 4C/4T) @ 3.0 GHz

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