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Re: 2022-09-15 Update (Networking & Workunits)

No, we should not need to do this. And this never has been a problem before (the move)...

Perhaps it wasn't an issue for IBM, but there are still lots of people with slow connections and/or with not unlimited traffic. Not me, I was just doing it "for fun". It's just pretty stupid to let people downlod same file again and again when BOINC offers the possibility to keep it in the project folder for future use.
If there is a constant flow of WUs, without constant download errors due to the inability to get a connection for the download, there simply is no need to download this file "again and again". So no need to change anything and to keep a specific file in the local project folder is much rather to cause problems if something on the project level changes.

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Re: 2022-09-15 Update (Networking & Workunits)

File transfers have recently been on par with other programs (e.g., Rosetta & SiDock) - for which we are grateful!
Keep it up!
Thanks!
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Re: 2022-09-15 Update (Networking & Workunits)

Of course there are no download problems, or slow website now. There are almost no tasks available to download. smile

When there are more tasks available, the download issues, as well as the extremely slow website, will come back, no doubt about that. They haven't solved the problems yet,

There's no reason to celebrate anything yet.
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Re: 2022-09-15 Update (Networking & Workunits)

I agree with Grumpy Swede. I'm only doing ARP at the moment, and I would love to have some ARP WUs... even with download issues... as least I'd have something to crunch eventually. It takes my machine 15 hours to complete an ARP, so a bit of clicking retry to download the files isn't a big deal to me and I don't need many.

Reload the ARP WU bucket PLEASE !
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Re: 2022-09-15 Update (Networking & Workunits)

@Unixchick

Well, since I only run the WCG project, I keep my crunchers shut down, until I can see from my Laptop, which I only use for daily stuff, that the WCG website becomes laggy. Then I know that there is new tasks available, and it's time to turn on my crunchers.

A good way to save electricity biggrin

Edit, added: A tendency of more website lag now, so I turned on my crunchers, and new OPNG work (_0), coming in. smile
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Re: 2022-09-15 Update (Networking & Workunits)

Today at least, I have received a steady stream of OPN tasks with a few MCM here and there as well. I have not noticed any of the download issues today.
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Re: 2022-09-15 Update (Networking & Workunits)

Of course there are no download problems, or slow website now. There are almost no tasks available to download. smile
Get all bins full of OPN1 WUs (not what I would be after) as well as MCM1 resends. Don't think I have seen an ARP1 in days and HST seems to rare as hen's teeth anyway...
There's no reason to celebrate anything yet.
Well,... cool


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Re: 2022-09-15 Update (Networking & Workunits)

Thanks TPCBF for mentioning caching. I hadn't thought of that.
Someone mentioned that download rates are matching Rosetta, and here is their server setup...
https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/server_status.php
I don't know much about servers, OSI layers, or caching, but this link might be useful information as WCG might be similar (or smaller given connection issues). Seems that Rosetta only has 1 web server. Also, some BOINC projects like Universe@home only have one server that does everything for all of their applications, which is the default BOINC-server configuration. Would useful caching occur in such a single-server configuration?

I think we disagree on the definition of symptom, but that's just semantics, so not super important. Aren't symptoms usually the observable things like a sore throat and error messages? And the root causes *can* be things that are not readily apparent like the flu or server configurations?

Yes, the current lack of MCM1 work is likely due to the hopper running empty. But I'm not too worried about that as long as the lack of inconsistent work isn't causing the servers to then work MUCH harder when they turn back on. It's the weird connection errors rather than a simple lack of work that frustrates me.


Sgt. Joe, you say that there can be multiple servers. I also said this in the post you were replying to, and none of my logic in that post depended on there being just 1 server. However, regarding caching, I now mention that there probably aren't many download servers because it might be relevant??
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Sgt. Joe, you say that there can be multiple servers. I also said this in the post you were replying to, and none of my logic in that post depended on there being just 1 server. However, regarding caching, I now mention that there probably aren't many download servers because it might be relevant??

I just presumed 1 server in your analysis since you used the singular, but if I mis-interpreted what you meant I apologize. If the default set up for BOINC is only one download server, that may be what they have. Until the techs let us know, I would just be guessing. It would be interesting to know the topology of their set up.
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Re: 2022-09-15 Update (Networking & Workunits)

Seems that Rosetta only has 1 web server. Also, some BOINC projects like Universe@home only have one server that does everything for all of their applications, which is the default BOINC-server configuration. Would useful caching occur in such a single-server configuration?
I don't know U@H, so I can't say much about it. I just know that there are quite a few "home brew" projects that work with minimal resources. But then their projects are also kind of limited, at least what the number of particpants and scope of project are concerned.

And there is no problem with just having 1 web server, after all, it is just the web site and possibly the forum (I think the later MIGHT be on a separate server (instance)). And the number of web servers is certainly NOT an issue regarding the problems we experience here with WCG. That is kind of the "easy" part...
I think we disagree on the definition of symptom, but that's just semantics, so not super important. Aren't symptoms usually the observable things like a sore throat and error messages? And the root causes *can* be things that are not readily apparent like the flu or server configurations?
Yes, symptoms are those things that you can observe, and there can be multiple reasons that cause the same (or very similar) symptoms. For your example of a sore throat, possible reasons can be a cold/flu, talking for hours or eating seriously spicy food. All are decisively different, and so can be the reason for symptoms observed on the Internet...
Sgt. Joe, you say that there can be multiple servers. I also said this in the post you were replying to, and none of my logic in that post depended on there being just 1 server. However, regarding caching, I now mention that there probably aren't many download servers because it might be relevant??
Rather than one server vs multiple servers, the basic issue is that no other project runs different sub-project concurrently like WCG does.
And what would the purpose of such server status page for the average user be?

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