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jhindo
Former World Community Grid Admin Joined: Aug 25, 2009 Post Count: 250 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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supdood, we don't pick the research application for World Community Grid projects - that's a decision our research partners make based on what tool is most relevant to the problem they're addressing. PS. the onboarding time for Vina would've been about the same anyway, since that's an application that has also previously run on World Community Grid.
Cmdrd, we’re glad to see so many volunteer computing initiatives rally behind COVID-19, it’s certainly going to take multiple efforts to tackle this pandemic. Folding@Home and Rosetta@Home are leveraging different computational research techniques - predicting the protein structure of the virus, whereas OpenPandemics which will be predicting which chemical compounds dock against COVD-19 protein targets. Both approaches are valid and valuable. |
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Falconet
Master Cruncher Portugal Joined: Mar 9, 2009 Post Count: 3315 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Question: Are we going to perform docking with large molecule libraries like we did with OpenZika project (among others) or are we going for a more limited (starting with approved drugs libraries, etc) approach? Is there an estimated project duration?
----------------------------------------"Develop additional open-source drug discovery tools and processes that can be quickly deployed to address future pandemics and epidemics." Could you elaborate a bit more on that? Future updates to Autodock and other tools, a more streamlined "ready to go" WCG project onboarding on a model based on those tools so it's much faster to start up future OpenPandemics projects (I'm assuming, wrongly perhaps, that after SARS-CoV-2 work is done here, the OpenPandemics "brand" project will sort of be something that is always ready to go in the future and under that name?)? Thanks @Dayle Diamond, I believe Autodock (FightAids@home, Phase 1) ran about the same on Windows/Linux, unlike Autodock Vina which is much faster under Linux. ![]() - AMD Ryzen 5 1600AF 6C/12T 3.2 GHz - 85W - AMD Ryzen 5 2500U 4C/8T 2.0 GHz - 28W - AMD Ryzen 7 7730U 8C/16T 3.0 GHz [Edit 1 times, last edit by Falconet at Apr 1, 2020 11:26:35 PM] |
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jhindo
Former World Community Grid Admin Joined: Aug 25, 2009 Post Count: 250 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Hi Falconet,
Scripps is considering docking against multiple ligand libraries, including clinically tested compounds. We don't yet have an estimate of the project's likely duration - it depends on many factors including overall number of work units, average runtime per work unit, volunteer interest in the project, etc. We'll have a better idea closer to launch. Good question about the tools development. Large scale, high-throughput computational research efforts like this require a ton of work for researchers to prepare and organize their input data, and even more work to store, process and analyze the output data generated. These tools aim to ease that burden by streamlining these pre and post processes to make it easier to carry out computational drug docking experiments in the future. Finally, scientists believe that future pandemics caused by newly emerging pathogens are unfortunately likely to become more common. The OpenPandemics project can therefore be leveraged to address such future outbreaks too. Many thanks, Juan |
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adamradocz
Cruncher Joined: Mar 20, 2014 Post Count: 12 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Are you going to port to AudoDock-GPU after the launch? They claim it's up to 56x faster.
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widdershins
Veteran Cruncher Scotland Joined: Apr 30, 2007 Post Count: 677 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Hi everyone, To answer your questions:
Many thanks, Juan I noticed that Github had a GPU accelerated version of Autodock that was being worked on. It seemed to only have 3 main contributors, but one of the contributors was from Scripps, and another from a German university. Regarding your comment that "At launch...CPU" Is there an intention/hope that the GPU enabled version will be ready soon enough to do some good on this project? |
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jhindo
Former World Community Grid Admin Joined: Aug 25, 2009 Post Count: 250 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Hi,
Many thanks, Juan |
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ericinboston
Senior Cruncher Joined: Jan 12, 2010 Post Count: 265 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I have a few questions that I don't see asked/answered yet:
----------------------------------------1. About how long until launch? Days? Months? 2. Will IBM/whoever do a large publicity/press release like around March 22nd when all the news feeds talked about Summit and IBM? WCG is an IBM project. https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/307998-ib...t-could-fight-coronavirus Just googling "IBM" for several days pointed towards all kinds of news articles about Summit. 3. I thought I read somewhere that this new WCG project will help/complement Summit. If this is true, how, exactly will WCG and Summit work together? 4. What are the timeframes for milestones and how many Phases? Is the project looking to finish Phase 1 by May 30 and Phase 2 by August 30, for example? Once each phase is complete, what is the timeframe to get an "answer" from all our work on if it solves some problem? 5. Is this project performing the same calculations/models as Summit? If not, can you elaborate (for us computer-tech, but not bio-tech folks) on the differences? 6. If every member on WCG were to run this project exclusively 24x7, how would that compare to the compute power of Summit trying to help cure coronavirus? For example, would WCG be 3x more petaflops than Summit running? 7. Is IBM planning on donating any computing power to this project to keep it a little competitive? :) IBM surely has the IBM Cloud and the raw compute power to donate some machines, cpus, etc. for this project as well as love the free publicity. I don't mean their employee's laptops crunching data...I mean actual bare metal machines that IBM will donate towards this great endeavor whose sole purpose is to crunch 24x7. How awesome would it be if IBM donated 100 bare metal machines with 80 cores each, crunching this project? :) I'm super excited to join this project. I'd love to hear more about the GOALS and TIMEFRAMES so as to set my/our expectations on what end result will come from all our efforts. ![]() |
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Former Member
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(1). Just from reading some of the responses, it sounds to me like the only thing likely to be running on the grid would be the AutoDock 4 work. The Open Source tool development would happen on the backend (Scripps) on the data that was returned from WCG and maybe tools to generate work units, also done at Scripps. Is that idea valid?
(2). Different twist to Ericinboston question 7: Using history as a guide, is the infrastructure going to be in place at WCG to handle this project? Still smarting from the ARP rollout. After such a big pre-rollout announcement, it would be a shame to have to limit work because the database isn't big enough, no storage for WUs, validators fail, storage servers can't handle the uploads/downloads etc. Has anyone communicated with the Scripps folks concerning resources at the researcher's end. You know, have to limit work because Scripp's has no place to put the data. It would be a shame to make such a big deal out of the launch and it flops because of lack of resources. |
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ericinboston
Senior Cruncher Joined: Jan 12, 2010 Post Count: 265 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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(2). Different twist to Ericinboston question 7: Using history as a guide, is the infrastructure going to be in place at WCG to handle this project? Still smarting from the ARP rollout. After such a big pre-rollout announcement, it would be a shame to have to limit work because the database isn't big enough, no storage for WUs, validators fail, storage servers can't handle the uploads/downloads etc... I meant to ask this question. I am really concerned that WCG will not be able to handle the load. 1)Everyone across the globe is extremely interested in fighting this disease that is destroying not only lives, but the world economy and way of life. There will easily be millions of people (out of the 7.8 billion on this planet) signing up for this project if it gets any kind of press release via a Google search. 2)According to the WCG site https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/stat/viewGlobal.do there are 775k "members" on this site. Eons ago it used to also say "active members" which I think was people who returned a result within 30 days. I'm not a conspiracy theorist but my belief is the number of "active users" on WCG is very low compared to the 775k "members" that could be representing people who signed up 8 years ago, returned 11 results, and never came back. If I had to guess, I would say there are no more than 20,000 active users on WCG. I'm not dissing WCG, I'm just highlighting a lack of stats. 3)I know several very "high up" folks in companies employing over 4000 people. These companies are interested in running WCG for coronavirus. 4000 employees means 4000 laptops plus maybe 500 laptops for people who have 2 machines and a few dozen QA servers. Total machines available PER COMPANY would be about 4500 to play it safe. Multiply this by the 4 companies I can easily influence and you have a possible 18,000 new machines within 5 days of launch. Multiple 4500 by 20 other companies and you've go an additional 90,000 machines crunching plus the original 18,000 and we are basically at 100,000 new machines. Add in 10% of employees who go home and install WCG on their home machines and that's another 10,000 machines for a grand total of 110,000 new machines crunching, hitting the site for uploads/downloads. It's GREAT...but is WCG prepared? Heck, even if I'm wrong and it's 25,000 new machines by Day 5 that still seems like a big influx to WCG. But I'm all ears if a WCG admin wants to give us some stats. I hope my numbers are correct for optimism of participation. This could be an amazing feat of human unity as well as a huge boost for the popularity of WCG and in general distributed computing. Facebook has 2.5 BILLION active users each month. Imagine if 1% of them were to install WCG and run any project...that would be 25 MILLION new users. 0.1% would be 2.5 MILLION new users. ![]() [Edit 1 times, last edit by ericinboston at Apr 3, 2020 4:16:25 AM] |
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hchc
Veteran Cruncher USA Joined: Aug 15, 2006 Post Count: 865 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Echo what others said.
----------------------------------------1. Is WCG prepared to handle the load of maybe double, triple, quadruple or more volunteers? Infrastructure, web servers, e-mail servers, storage, bandwidth, even this forum will get hit hard. 2. Is there a good automated paging system in place for Sev 1/Priority 1 outages? Like if the work unit server gets clogged at 7 PM, will anyone know about it before 8-9 AM the next day? Same for weekend incidents. (I'd hate for tons of extra work and call! Love automation and self-healing systems.)
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