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Unixchick
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I was really happy to put in a valid result for that one WU.

Al, I liked your thought about "Rosetta" and how it might be affecting my valid/invalid issues. I'm going to assume that none of the projects at WCG have an apple silicon version. I don't think the number of apple silicon boinc users is large enough to invest time/money into a native app.

Anyone have any thoughts on how much Krembil is pulling the WCG stuff locally to them vs using the computers in the server room?? Will the upgrades to the server room in July affect them?

Thanks Mike for the Sunday update - I LOVE seeing a 2026 end date.
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MarkH

That unit will be a re-send. The original would have been distributed on or about 9 June.

July is supposed to be the end of some upgrades, but judging from the latest output, they may have completed it already!

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Thanks Mike.
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Despite nothing being sent out, we still managed nearly 3,000 units validated in the day.

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(Yup - I made it 2980...) Matching that up with the completion time 2 day moving average suggests lots of results taking 4 or more days to be sent back[*1]; not really surprising...

What I do find surprising, however, is that my relatively small sample of ARP1 tasks per day rarely contains a retry for me to process (and I've only ever had one such retry end up Server Aborted; it had landed on an already "busy" system!), and less than 5% of my tasks have to wait more than 2 or 3 days to validate. (I turn over tasks within 10 to 18 hours...)

I don't know if what I see is typical for Linux users (some of whom will see a lot more ARP1 tasks per day than I do!), but I rather suspect it isn't typical for Windows :-)

Ah, well -- at least things are being processed, albeit possibly sub-optimally...

Cheers - Al.

P.S. There's been a bit of discussion regarding MCM1 retries elsewhere, and someone else mentioned a possible Windows/Linux "divide" there :-)

*1 The results returned statistics suggest that as many as 10% of ARP1 WUs get a third valid result when that average gets high! I'd expect most of the retries for missed deadlines to go to fast-response systems (which can end up starved of work during the latter stages of processing a tranche of ARP1 work) so it's probably a fair indicator of missed deadline counts (albeit not perfect because of timing issues...)
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Only one retry for me since the dearth set in. I typically finish Linux tasks in 4.25hours. Unless in a VM on the same machine when they take about an hour longer. Windows tasks for ARP in a VM on the same physical machine take more like 6.5 hours. And while typing I have had one _0ARP task and one _0MCM arrive. I was alerted by my fans starting up.
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I just got another WU to watch https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/contribution/workunit/728468589
It is section 30188
Hopefully in 5 hours I'll have validated this one and helped it move to the next gen.

Edit : it validated. This one moves on to the next generation.
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Unixchick

Good luck with that one. You are probably it's last hope.

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Re: Work Available

Result name        OS type Status   Sent time           Due / Return time   CPUtime/Elapsed Claimed/Granted
ARP1_0030188_146_0 Darwin Invalid 2025-06-11 05:03:46 2025-06-13 07:26:50 17.05/27.08 755.7/526.2
ARP1_0030188_146_1 Darwin Valid 2025-06-11 05:03:20 2025-06-13 14:00:05 6.08/6.36 571.7/526.2
ARP1_0030188_146_2 Darwin Invalid 2025-06-13 14:03:25 2025-06-14 07:02:40 5.5/6.59 587.4/526.2
ARP1_0030188_146_3 Darwin Invalid 2025-06-14 07:04:29 2025-06-14 20:39:21 7.24/7.31 570.8/526.2
ARP1_0030188_146_4 Darwin No Reply 2025-06-14 20:43:20 2025-06-17 20:43:20 -/- -/-
ARP1_0030188_146_5 Darwin Invalid 2025-06-17 20:43:27 2025-06-18 22:57:52 7.47/8.36 554.9/526.2
ARP1_0030188_146_6 Darwin Valid 2025-06-18 23:03:16 2025-06-19 03:56:01 4.22/4.34 480.7/526.2
[Copied from Workunit Status, generated by wcgformat (using these options: -o)]

It looks like it's not a very good sign if there are so few Darwin systems (7 copies went out, instead of a 'normal' 2) capable of turning in a Valid result. Anyway, there it is. We should be glad we have Unixchick, sailing the ship Darwin across the WCG seas. smile

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[Might as well have some forum time while "Another scheduler is running for this host" sad ]

One thing I noticed when I checked to see how this one was getting on was that all the ones running on the 24.05 O/S that went Invalid had an elapsed time quite a lot longer than the CPU time used, so I had a quick look at the stderr.txt content for each of them to see if there was anything obvious[*1] such as evidence of suspension or actual restarts. One of them (_5) had an actual restart after one checkpoint; the others didn't seem to have any large-scale interruptions, so that wasn't particularly useful this time sad

I don't know how BOINC measures elapsed time on Darwin systems, so it may be that it counts all the time the program isn't actually suspended; I also don't know what happens if the user has asked for less than 100% of CPU processor time, so that may distort the numbers as well.

Without being able to find out a lot more about the individual systems (most of which we would only know if the users actually posted about it...), I don't think this is likely to be resolved. I wonder how many other Darwin tasks suffer the same fate but we never find out. (Come to that, do we have any idea as to how many ARP1 WUs go to Darwin users?)

Cheers - Al

*1 If an ARP1 task gets suspended frequently because BOINC thinks the system is busy, or BOINC wants to let other tasks have a go, it can [usually] be spotted because the system timestamps in the stderr log will be spaced [far] further apart than the elapsed time would suggest. The same applies if the whole system suspends or hibernates regularly. For instance, i saw one task that had CPU and elapsed times well under 24 hours but the log showed two transitions through midnight -- that, admittedly, was an extreme example!
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