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yangbomb
Cruncher Joined: Aug 6, 2015 Post Count: 16 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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FAH2_ avx38788-ls_ 000100_ 0009_ 013_ 0-- Jefferson-PC Invalid 2015/11/7 05:03:11 2015/11/9 13:29:20 11.99 / 12.76 379.8 / 0.
----------------------------------------I wasted 13 hours for an invaild result because the internet have problems from the eighth trickle up message to I uploaded the full results. Before this, the first to seventh trickle up was performed ONLINE yesterday. The return date is far from the deadline(almost two days) but still showed invaild for me. Frustrating. ![]() |
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uplinger
Former World Community Grid Tech Joined: May 23, 2005 Post Count: 3952 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I will do some more tests from my end to make sure everything is squared away. I will also be looking into some of the invalids to see if I can capture some data coming back.
Thanks, -Uplinger |
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steff-wcg
Cruncher Austria Joined: Jul 29, 2015 Post Count: 5 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Same here a few days ago.
Received workunits on 16th Nov at 2p.m. returned them 17th Nov at 1p.m. Deadline was 21.Nov. calculated 4 WUs offline in 14 hours and all of them were invalid. calculated the other 3 i had in BOINC online and they were valid. This really is annoying... Sure, credits and time is calculated in statistics, but this in not the point... Stopped this project till there is a change in offline calculating... :( |
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phytell
Cruncher Joined: Sep 8, 2014 Post Count: 39 Status: Offline |
Same here - returned 8 units about 10 minutes ago. All invalid.
Expecting similar results when I get a second machine to send in its work. There are still several fah2 units in progress on this machine, and they've been uploading some of their intermediate files. If things stay true to form, they'll also return invalid when they complete throughout today and tonight. Given my current statistics it looks like units are properly granting credit and time eventually, but it would be nice to have a confirmation that this invalid status is supposed to be happening (when credit is granted the results remain invalid). It may also be worthwhile to add a section to the project FAQ, letting members know what to expect. |
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SekeRob
Master Cruncher Joined: Jan 7, 2013 Post Count: 2741 Status: Offline |
The 'official' policy, if one can speak of that, is, that the invalid are indeed credited full time, as result count, and half [dog-year] points. IIRC, which I don't, may on occasion have seen full points credit. It's of little consolation, if the unit has to be reprocessed. If an extra copy shows up in the result distribution detail [click on WU name link], then that is what is happening.
----------------------------------------Edit: spell [Edit 1 times, last edit by SekeRob* at Nov 20, 2015 12:32:48 PM] |
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metalius
Cruncher Lithuania Joined: Aug 19, 2014 Post Count: 31 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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A confirmation from me too... Result of offline crunching may be - all trickles refused, task marked as "No reply". This project is fatal unfriendly, unfortunately...
-----------------------------------------Edit- Here is one possibility for the project to be more friendly. The project may use experience from climateprediction.net (CPDN). CPDN server accepts everything! No matter, when the trickle was received... ![]() ![]() [Edit 1 times, last edit by metalius at Nov 23, 2015 6:17:40 PM] |
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cjslman
Master Cruncher Mexico Joined: Nov 23, 2004 Post Count: 2082 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Boy, this super sucks !!! My internet was down for a little over 24 hrs. During that time, 4 FAH2 WUs finished, but couldn't be uploaded because of the Internet being down. After the Internet is back, now it turns out that the 4 WUs are invalid !!! No credit granted... 72 hrs of effort wasted
---------------------------------------- .CJSL Edit #1: 3 of the 4 WUs have been given full credit. I assume that is due to comparing the results to the other crunchers that have been assigned to those WUs. Edit #2: Checked a few days later and I have received full credit for all 4 invalid WUs. So it seems that this turned out OK after all. Thanks. Crunching for a brighter future... ---------------------------------------- [Edit 2 times, last edit by cjslman at Dec 7, 2015 5:53:05 PM] |
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Speedy51
Veteran Cruncher New Zealand Joined: Nov 4, 2005 Post Count: 1326 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Boy, this super sucks !!! My internet was down for a little over 24 hrs. During that time, 4 FAH2 WUs finished, but couldn't be uploaded because of the Internet being down. After the Internet is back, now it turns out that the 4 WUs are invalid !!! No credit granted... 72 hrs of effort wasted .CJSL Crunching for a brighter future... I understand how you feel. Unfortunately it is just the nature of this project. ![]() |
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SekeRob
Master Cruncher Joined: Jan 7, 2013 Post Count: 2741 Status: Offline |
To me, it's got nothing to do with the nature of the project and everything to do with ensuring that all the trickles, regardless if sent in 1 go or intermittent or whatever are subjected to the same validation checks, pre-decompression or post-decompression, I don't care. Except for occasional testing, not touching this app till this is resolved.
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phytell
Cruncher Joined: Sep 8, 2014 Post Count: 39 Status: Offline |
It would appear that units, even when calculated entirely online, still have a decent chance of returning invalid.
I recently returned a fah2 unit, and know the machine was connected to servers the entire time, but still got invalid. I also returned a unit yesterday morning from a machine that had calculated it offline, and received valid and full credit (invalid units receive quite a bit less than full credit when they finally begin to be counted - I expect 340-360 for the 480 claimed recently). My guess for the reason behind this is that the client appears to no longer be sending trickle messages to the servers. Therefore, unless updates are manually forced by the user when the unit is >90% complete (as yesterday's unit was because I needed to refill the cache for the machine), then invalid results are guaranteed, because all trickles must be received prior to completion for a unit to be valid. This is obscenely frustrating. I really don't have a consistent enough schedule to get to the machines and force an update when fah2 feels like being 90% complete, especially if that point happens in the middle of the night. Leaving network connected to offline machines when its needed is something I might be able to do, but manually forcing trickles is beyond me. |
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