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twilyth
Master Cruncher US Joined: Mar 30, 2007 Post Count: 2130 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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The only reason I'm responding is to help you with your memory problems. What makes you think I have a legal background? And please show me where it is that I keep harping on this.
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theodolite
Advanced Cruncher Joined: Apr 11, 2014 Post Count: 119 Status: Offline |
twilyth is not correct. You are not evolving.
Who are you to demand researchers sign a code of ethics. What code of ethics? Yours? The one that says it is ok to infer wrong-doing without proof? What is it that scientists HAVE signed. Got any facts on that to share? Who are you to demand three groups of researchers? Why three? Why not just one? Just who do you think you are. I didn't ask you to speak on my behalf. You have no standing here to make demands Members can already decide if they want to participate in projects. They have all the information they are going to get. I can't say it more clearly: You are volunteering here. You get TO participate or TO NOT participate. That is the entire decision-making latitude you have at WCG |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
You can patent most things that improves function or form, and a new organic molecule would certainly establish novelty and invention, even if it, by that time, has become publicly available information. And let's not forget that the database only represents mathematical approximations, guesswork, not the actual molecule's physical properties, which is what the patent application is based on. The database is not updated in real-time and when it comes to patents, it's first come first granted on a country basis. China, for instance, no longer recognizes patents which are not first submitted in China. Unless you're a patent lawyer, you have no idea what can or can't be patented. My personal guess, having been a member of the bar in one of my previous careers is that any process or invention based upon data that, by written agreement known to all parties involved stating that said data could not be patented, would be unable to enforce any patent they received. That doesn't mean that a company like LG for example couldn't rush to the patent office with their newly acquired data and get a patent. What it means is that the patent most likely wouldn't be enforceable since LG either knew or should have know that the data was being generated pursuant to an agreement which required the data to be available in the public domain. IOW, my best guess is that LG would be subject to either equitable estoppel or some other type of equitable punishment for trying to end-run the agreement that the researchers had with WCG. Above is a twilyth quote. That, to me, looks like he/she is claiming to be a former lawyer. Both of you are peculiar characters, who also seem to suffer from some sort of amnesia. I've repeated, on several occasions, that this is a suggestion thread, which means we are supposed to suggest improvements. But this fact does not seem to sink in. I don't think it's my suggestion that rubs the weirder one of you the wrong way, but something else. I believe that the weirder one suffers from some sort of general inferiority complex. This is often expressed as a need to suppress other people, without any justifiable reason for doing so. How else can I explain the constant barrage of finger pointing, followed by high-pitched yelling, where I'm accused of being a megalomaniac -- for simply suggesting that researchers ought to declare their source of income from for-profit organizations. Am I being completely unreasonable? What I'm suggesting is that WCG implements an absolute bare minimum level of transparency. Nothing fancy, just bare minimum. You could almost see it as a sign of goodwill towards the crunchingchimps. A dry biscuit if you will. |
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twilyth
Master Cruncher US Joined: Mar 30, 2007 Post Count: 2130 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I'm not really interested in anything you have to say for the numerous reasons I've already mentioned. I'm also not interested in continuing this conversation, as I've also already stated.
----------------------------------------I'm just curious how that one comment made a week and a half ago constitutes "banging [my] drum about [my] legal past." Anyway, good luck with your little crusade. I can only hope that you get a life so you have better ways to spend your time. |
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KLiK
Master Cruncher Croatia Joined: Nov 13, 2006 Post Count: 3108 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Anyway, good luck with your little crusade. I can only hope that you get a life so you have better ways to spend your time. so do we hope, that u come out outside...it's OK to be a geek (got your contacts & saw some of your photos)* we got ur opinion here & u don't have anything to add...so go ON & get OFF a way of a progress!  EDIT: this is what we like to see: https://secure.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread_thread,38453 if some company is interested in "their project", let them make their own calculations & AI program to do it... *edited to appropriate forum language - ErikaT ---------------------------------------- [Edit 2 times, last edit by ErikaT at Sep 30, 2015 10:44:07 AM] |
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ErikaT
Former World Community Grid Admin USA Joined: Apr 27, 2009 Post Count: 912 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Members,
Please be considerate to each other and remember why we are all here - for the humanitarian projects. The forum rules state: * Please remember that profane language is not tolerated and will be deleted * Please do not be rude to other members nor retaliate if a member is rude to you I appreciate your help in keeping these forums a place where members come for assistance and friendly discussions... Thank you, ErikaT |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
That's it?
After all this we get a hushing, instead of an apology for the deceptive marketing of this grid. How about some basic transparency, WCG? |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Why would anyone waste their time pandering to your incessant whining?
I only do it when I'm bored, or drunk. Also, why would anyone apologise for an entirely imaginary sleight. |
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deltavee
Ace Cruncher Texas Hill Country Joined: Nov 17, 2004 Post Count: 4894 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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That's it? After all this we get a hushing, instead of an apology for the deceptive marketing of this grid. How about some basic transparency, WCG? The apology should come from the member who posted such foul language here. |
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KLiK
Master Cruncher Croatia Joined: Nov 13, 2006 Post Count: 3108 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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That's it? After all this we get a hushing, instead of an apology for the deceptive marketing of this grid. How about some basic transparency, WCG? The apology should come from the member who posted such foul language here. I haven't said anything wrong about any of forum members in this topic! so should I say sorry to the some company? only if they certify that they didn't use non-profit stage of research in their own "for profit research"...so far I haven't be wrong in many things, so I don't say "those words very often"... & I did mean what I wrote...so why should I say something now, that I don't mean? so far we haven't seen a trunk of any new initiative for WCG (stuff & scientists associated) to be more transparent...sadly! ---------------------------------------- [Edit 1 times, last edit by KLiK at Sep 30, 2015 1:35:39 PM] |
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