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jonnieb-uk
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Re: MVN Forum Software

But as of July of last year, Stanley S. Litow seems to be the person in charge since WCG is listed under his name here .


Thanks twilyth appreciate the link. smile

The time frame for the change was last 12 -18 months prior to Sep 2013, so that fits.

If there's a World Community Grid Advisory Board why do we (the volunteers) know/hear virtually nothing about it? Who are they? What do they advise on? etc etc

I'll do some reading, then some thinking and put some ideas together.
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If there's a World Community Grid Advisory Board why do we (the volunteers) know/hear virtually nothing about it? Who are they? What do they advise on? etc etc

The World Community Grid Advisory Board is/was concerned with scientific applications run by WCG, not with WCG's organisation.

I write "is/was" because I am not sure it still exists as a formal entity although, of course, its reviewing activity is still achieved by other means, e.g. submitting applications proposal to recognised specialists of the related domain.
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The best you can get here is an email notification when you select that option for a watched thread. A "feature" which doesn't seem to be working currently. At least I haven't seen any new notifications in weeks.

Yep, this is currently (still) under investigation according to my thread.

Sometimes it seems so unnecessarily tricky to identify what caused an issue for something that I know for a fact used to work until just a few (or so) months ago.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry about this part though, as I actually find myself in that:
Instead you have to try to remember which threads you've posted to. You don't even get a marker or tag next to threads in which you have posts when you look at the 'recent threads' list.

Sorry if I am beating a dead horse even though the conversation seems to have moved on a bit, but felt like adding my 2 cents to the picture.

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Let me elaborate on why there are no imminent plans to upgrade the forum software..

As a relatively small development team, we have to *constantly* make tough decisions about where to focus our resources, and how to balance our time across several competing tasks and priorities. In last year's extensive member study, the forums did not come up as a main pain point. So while I don't deny that the software is outdated and could definitely be better, it doesn't seem to be a priority for most volunteers.

PS. the separate issue discussed here regarding the email notifications for watched forum threads was fixed earlier this week. So if you signed up to watch any threads, you should start to receive those notifications now..
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Let me elaborate on why there are no imminent plans to upgrade the forum software
What great news this is biggrin
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Let me elaborate on why there are no imminent plans to upgrade the forum software..

As a relatively small development team, we have to *constantly* make tough decisions about where to focus our resources, and how to balance our time across several competing tasks and priorities. In last year's extensive member study, the forums did not come up as a main pain point. So while I don't deny that the software is outdated and could definitely be better, it doesn't seem to be a priority for most volunteers.

PS. the separate issue discussed here regarding the email notifications for watched forum threads was fixed earlier this week. So if you signed up to watch any threads, you should start to receive those notifications now..

Do I really need to explain WHY it wasn't an issue? Perhaps it's because the vast majority of people who responded to the questionnaire never actually USE the forum. Duh.

And maybe, just maybe a big part of the reason for that is that the software is so awful and unlike anything else on the market, with so many quirks and such an abysmal lack of functionality that they tried at some point and simply couldn't make heads or tales of it. Again - duh.

I would also point out that the forum software was never actually posed as an issue. I might be wrong about that but I know that I specifically raised the issue in MY responses to the questionnaire, so please don't try to tell me that no one at all broached the issue. Not only did I raise it but I actually BEGGED that something be done about it.

But let's assume for the sake of argument that most people who volunteer here don't give a squat about the forum. THAT is NOT the issue. Had you been persuaded to actually have read my previous posts on the issue you would have seen that it is not just about having decent software.

NO.

It is about trying to stimulate the evolution of a more vibrant community. My god, we have the word community right in our name but it seems that every effort is made to avoid creating anything that actually resembles a community. How thick are you people?
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PS. the separate issue discussed here regarding the email notifications for watched forum threads was fixed earlier this week. So if you signed up to watch any threads, you should start to receive those notifications now..

Sorry, but it seems this is not yet resolved either. Or at least not entirely. What we seem to have instead is just a workaround that sends daily digest emails even when the watch is set to "System default" which used to mean "Non-digest". Did I miss anything here?

@twylith: I fully understand and share your frustration here and I'd hate to think that I'm the only one. It's not about it being an issue, it's about common sense. Simple as that. Nobody needs to die (figuratively speaking, of course) to change this (literally) God forsaken forum software.

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twilyth, I didn't say that no-one complained about the forum in the survey, what I said is that it wasn't a common theme/complaint.

CandymanWCG, I'll pass on your comment about the forum notification email to the relevant person.
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Thanks Candyman.

I think we both know from previous responses that we're not the only ones appalled by this duct tape based forum. I once drove around for a couple years with the front bumper of my car duct taped to the chassis and that was fine for me since it was my car and didn't really care what it looked like. Aside from causing some transient emotional distress for others who happened to see my work of art, it didn't affect anyone else.

But to use forum software that is cobbled together with so many patches and hacks and even then still can't manage to even come close to what a real forum should be is, at this point, completely intolerable.

The only reason most people who come here on a regular basis DO tolerate it is because they've had to deal with this cr*p for so long that we're used to it. And the fact that there are people who still defend it I think is a clear case of Stockholm Syndrome - where you become so traumatized by your captors that you begin to adopt their views and attitudes - however absurdly out of touch with reality they may be.

To have jhindo have the unmitigated gall to come back with same arguments we've always been force fed is nothing short of pompous and insulting, especially when I have specifically addressed those arguments and shown them to be without any merit of any kind.

However for the benefit of those who have not bothered to follow this thread thus far, I'll briefly recap.

While the Ripple XRP giveaway has FINALLY brought a significant influx of new crunchers to the fold, the way you keep and motivate those same people is by keeping them engaged. And the way you do that is by creating a sense of community and camaraderie.

Sure, a small fraction of the newbies will stay anyway for their own personal reasons, but we should be striving for more than that. If you look at our stats in terms of new members, even though we have a hundred or more people joining on a daily basis, the critical stat - the number of ACTIVE users - has actually started to decline as seen here .

Given the generous contributions by Ripple Labs, that is simply inexcusable and we need to do EVERYTHING humanly possible to retain members - ACTIVE, crunchers not just people who sign up and then do virtually nothing. This forum is critical for keeping members, especially new members interested and engaged. Yet it is treated as a tertiary priority at best. One so low on the list that our own admins essentially indicate that it will NEVER be much more than the eyesore it is now.

I have previously labeled this attitude myopic but that is a description that is, in my opinion, beyond charitable
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... we need to do EVERYTHING humanly possible to retain members - ACTIVE, crunchers not just people who sign up and then do virtually nothing. This forum is critical for keeping members, especially new members interested and engaged. Yet it is treated as a tertiary priority at best.

100% agreement.

I would also note that:

  • WCG throughput having nearly doubled in the past year:
             		Runtime	Points        	Results
    28day Avg 688.8 970,462,224 1,714,761
    386.8 880,638,005 1,581,589 inc GPU
    2013 Comparative

  • Ripple Labs having added 16,200 members in the last 3 months

As a result jhindo's relatively small development team, should be given greater resources and the *constantly* made tough decisions revisited and revised.
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