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Mamajuanauk
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Re: Ripple Labs

Yep, great tip, I can now see 'Bid' & 'Ask' prices, which gives the value of my XRP's? And how do I convert them into something I can transfer to my bank.

Some step, by step instructions would be much appreciated...

Thanks in advance.
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Re: Ripple Labs

Mamajuanauk,

First you need to select a pair.
I have so far selected XRP/BTC, where I convert my XRP to BTC to send to my Justcoin account.



Then I select the best BID (people who want to buy XRP and are selling BTC)



Then I enter the amount of XRP I want to sell and press "Sell XRP"



Then I get BTC in my wallet



After that, I log in to my Justcoin account, select deposit, Ripple, and enter the amount I want to deposit and what currency type it is (BTC)



Then I follow these steps





Then I check my Justcoin account and I see that the amount is already there



Now, to exchange this BTC to EUR in Justcoin, I go to the trade tab, select BTC/EUR, Sell, and I enter the amount of BTC I wish to sell



I sold 0.0014 BTC for 0.69 EUR or so.



To get my EUR to the bank, you will need verify your account, that is, verify your identity by sending some documents to Justcoin. I have already done that so I'll skip it (the website will ask you to do this and will tell you how. It takes just a few days to get verified). After that, go to withdraw, Bank, enter the amount you wish to withdraw, add a bank account if you haven't already, and click "Continue to Review"



Then confirm on the next page. Be aware that a 5 EUR fee is deducted.

I hope it helps and that I didn't miss anything!

I used BTC and Justcoin as an example. There are other gateways like Bitstamp that may even accept EUR or USD or GBP directly from Ripple.
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Thanks Falconet, yep it helps. I can put a PC together in about 10-15 minutes, but all this virtual currency stuff is new and alien to me.

Many thanks, I'll try it...

Small to start.
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Re: Ripple Labs

So I've been rippling a while now,
and wondering what is going to happen if a GPU project comes out.
It would be cool if ripple labs kept the ratio around 400wcg to 1 xrp.
However I'm thinking they will probably keep similar number of xrp,
say the 1,250,000 xrp per, driving the wcg to ripple ratio way up.
Just musing, wondering what you guys think.
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So I've been rippling a while now,
and wondering what is going to happen if a GPU project comes out.
It would be cool if ripple labs kept the ratio around 400wcg to 1 xrp.
However I'm thinking they will probably keep similar number of xrp,
say the 1,250,000 xrp per, driving the wcg to ripple ratio way up.
Just musing, wondering what you guys think.

Ripple needs to get XRPs distributed in order to establish them as a viable currency. Technically, the Ripple transaction system only needs to use XRPs internally but XRPs are the way you drive people to use that system.

The problem I think the WCG giveaway was intended to address is getting XRPs into as many hands as possible to encourage their use in commerce. Except it really hasn't worked out that way. The number of people who are active members of the Ripple team is down from 14 or 15k to only about 10k (when I checked last week). That compares to 75-76k of active WCG members.

So while this giveaway route has probably improved XRP distribution, it hasn't been nearly as successful as one might have anticipated. There's also the probable fact that most people are simply hoarding XRPs, given how stable the XRP exchange rate has been.

So if the breadth of the distribution, meaning the number of people receiving XRPs is the main concern for Ripple Labs rather than just dumping all 50B of them, then it probably doesn't matter to them if there's a huge increase in points.

If they keep the payout rate the way it is, then people who don't have the GPU computing power to keep up will be inclined to just drop out, further lowering the number of people receiving XRPs. If they increase the payout rate then you get a further concentration of XRPs in the hands of fewer people. So either way it doesn't matter to them.

Although my guess is that they would probably opt to increase the payout rate rather than lose even more 'miners.'
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There's been a lot of comments about the numbers in the Ripple team declining, my thoughts are that those with few, small, less powerful machines are seeing such low returns they are not seeing a real benefit in being in the Ripple team.

Thus, they return to their former team or another team.

However, those of us with larger more powerful machines, see a good, steady increase of points, and corrispondingly, the increase of our XRP pot! So we stay.

So, the answer as I see it, dissapointment, is the reason lots of crunchers leave the Ripple team!

What do you guys think?
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MJ: That's always going to be a problem as long as there's competition involved. Personally, I think Ripple Labs is struggling with the problem of how best to get XRPs out into the wild. Using a distributed computing project rather than whatever sporadic giveaways they were doing previously was a great idea, just not a perfect one. But to be honest, I'm not sure it's possible to do much better.

It's too easy to 'game' the system with other types of giveaways so really the only choice they have is to require some sort of work be performed in exchange for XRPs. Except even that can be gamed by using more or specialized hardware as has been the case with mining most cryptocoins. Unfortunately, at present it seems to be the lesser of the various evils.

I do however think it would be much fairer to allocate XRPs based on computing hours rather than points, but there's probably a downside to that as well.

You also have to consider the fact that even the average computer user doesn't know much about alternative currencies and certainly doesn't have much interest in mining them. I certainly didn't even with all of the news bitcoin has been making lately.

So you only have a few options in that case. One is to try to co-opt (but in a good way) existing users who you know have a certain level of tech savviness. A distributed computing project is an excellent hunting ground from that perspective. But it's definitely not ideal if you want a wide and relatively even distribution.

There are of course other options, but they require the participation of intermediate parties like banks or merchants. That leaves open the possibility of their profiting in the process. That's not necessarily a bad thing if it achieves the goals you want. It also helps get those intermediaries to become invested in the Ripple system. But for whatever reasons, RL hasn't chosen to that route.
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twilyth - you have some good points, I think the fact is they have so many XRP's to distribute, the more options they try the more likely they will succede...

I don't think there is a right or best option just better. AT the end of the day, it takes time, look how long it took the various civilisations to move away from barter systems to currency/money... Some still use the same system even in the 21st century

Time will tell...
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There's been a lot of comments about the numbers in the Ripple team declining, my thoughts are that those with few, small, less powerful machines are seeing such low returns they are not seeing a real benefit in being in the Ripple team.

Thus, they return to their former team or another team.

However, those of us with larger more powerful machines, see a good, steady increase of points, and corrispondingly, the increase of our XRP pot! So we stay.

So, the answer as I see it, dissapointment, is the reason lots of crunchers leave the Ripple team!

What do you guys think?


As I posted elsewhere, crunchers falling by the wayside has been happening since the launch of WCG and long before Ripple appeared on the scene. A casual look at the Global stats shows only ~16% of 649,000 users have stayed long enough to crunch 1 years RunTime.

twilyth suggests the possibilty of allocating XRPs based on computing hours rather than points. SekeRob's post and chart showing WCG hourly project credits highlights the current instablity of the Points/Credit system (particularly CEP2).
uplinger Jan 20 2014:
We will be taking a more in depth look at the new credit system when it is live. Please be patient as we work towards releasing the new code.

In the meantime anyone specifically crunching to obtains XRPs is better off giving CEP2 a wide berth.
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You're absolutely right. It's like that old joke 'How do you get to Carnegie Hall?' - practice, practice, practice.

There have been some great ideas presented over on the RL forum (and they're not even mine biggrin ). I think some of the problems with using WCG should have been anticipated, but what constitutes a 'mistake' depends on what's really important to you, so maybe things are working out exactly as they expected.
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