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Re: Low Work for Help Conquer Cancer ( Nov 20, 2012 )

First, sorry if my responses seem a little bit slow.

Now, the main question that folks are asking is,

"IS THIS THE END OF THE WORK?"
Short answer "NO"
Long answer "No, there is still planned to be over 100 days of work left for the grid. This could be longer or shorter depending on actual number of final batches we get from the researchers AND how fast everyone can process the work units when they're available.

(sorry for caps, not screaming, just wanting to make sure members see the question that seems to be causing the most grief. )

Onto the other questions:
"Why was there not more of a warning on running out of work?"
Answer: "We have been processing most of the work units as they have become available from the researchers. With the high volume of batches we were doing each day, the researchers have been keeping our backlog of a few days. Thus if there is any sort of hiccup in the process it causes an issue similar to what we are seeing today. We are working with the researchers to hopefully get that few days backlog up. But there are logistics behind how the backlog on their end is created, which is something I have no knowledge of so any comments from me on it would be a total guess."

Please note that we are working with the researchers towards getting new work loaded and as soon as it is available we will let everyone know. The estimated time for this could be anything from 1 day to next week. As you can probably guess, we really don't have a good ETA for new work to be sent out.

Thank you for your patience as we work through this issue,
-Uplinger
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Re: Low Work for Help Conquer Cancer ( Nov 20, 2012 )

Thanks for the update uplinger.

This does sound like something out of WCG's control. There are absolutely no complaints on my end.

On the positive side, it will free up a couple of CPUs to do more of the other fine work here.

As always, thank you and the others there for the hard work.

Regards.
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cool Re: Low Work for Help Conquer Cancer ( Nov 20, 2012 )

Greetings all,

We are currently running low on work for Help Conquer Cancer. At the moment of posting this we have about 1 hour of work left to send on the grid. We are running through many work units per day as you may already know and we are working with the researchers to get more work units onto the grid as soon as possible.

Normally we would slow a project down to help keep the project running on the grid. But this solution will not work since it is our only GPU project. So, to keep things fair between CPU and GPU we have decided to keep the weight normal until we run out of work.

This is not the end of the project, we are low on work from the researchers.

Thank you for your participation and patience as we get more work for Help Conquer Cancer. Please let me know if you have any questions.

-Uplinger


Thanks for letting us know, Uplinger cool
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Re: Low Work for Help Conquer Cancer ( Nov 20, 2012 )

I would imagine that even for smart bunch of researchers, keeping up with the volume on this project has to be challenging at least. Even if they have a dedicated IT department, and I'm guessing that's not likely, from other people I've known who did basic research, staffing and funding is ALWAYS an issue. I'm tempted to bore people with some stories but I'll restrain myself.

I'll also take a wild guess that what work units get propagated are in some way dependent upon previous results which might be one reason for the 'just in time' nature of the work flow. I pulled that out of my butt though. Even so, I'd be interested to know if there's any truth to it.

The bottom line is that having a little faith is never a bad thing. And thanks Uplinger for confirming that the shortage is temporary. I'm already starting to feel the effects of hyper-ppd withdrawal and it isn't pretty. biggrin
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Re: Low Work for Help Conquer Cancer ( Nov 20, 2012 )

To the professional WCG paid staff:

While no one elected me spokesman, I'm taking the role. Thanks for your hard work, technical expertise and professional attitude. Please take a well deserved rest over thanksgiving. What ever is going on with HCC GPU can wait until Monday. My GPUs have spundown and my CPUs are quietly crunching away on other projects. You do the same.

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Re: Low Work for Help Conquer Cancer ( Nov 20, 2012 )

For those having Nvidia boards do not forget that you can switch to GpuGrid who is Nvidia only.
You can have both projects on the same machine and when the GPU is idle on WCG crunch on GpuGrid WUs.
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Re: Low Work for Help Conquer Cancer ( Nov 20, 2012 )

To the professional WCG paid staff:

While no one elected me spokesman, I'm taking the role. Thanks for your hard work, technical expertise and professional attitude. Please take a well deserved rest over thanksgiving. What ever is going on with HCC GPU can wait until Monday. My GPUs have spundown and my CPUs are quietly crunching away on other projects. You do the same.

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Re: Low Work for Help Conquer Cancer ( Nov 20, 2012 )

This project was always a testbed for OpenCL insofar as I was concerned, and I knew it was going to be over too soon anyway. Whether you lose a few days in the middle but add them onto the end is largely irrelevant. I hope the WCG staff and the researchers don't lose any sleep (or more importantly turkey) over it.

(For those outside the U.S., that is a BIG deal.)
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Re: Low Work for Help Conquer Cancer ( Nov 20, 2012 )

AFAIC, think WCG is better off if electing to get a good swath of data in and [I've mentioned this before], maybe consider a 1st of month / 16th of month release. This way crunchers can adapt and know what to expect].

On Back-Up projects, reading various, but the proper back-up project setting [as of client 6.10.58] is a resource share of 0 (zero)... not sure if all projects support a zero setting yet... they needed to upgrade the server software ass well. When the client is out of work, and only when out of work, will it go fetch work from the backup project(s), and only so much to keep all threads busy, that otherwise would be idling. Soon as the main project has work again, the backup project is parked [that I've never seen and rather if the backup project has work **, to finish it... why else have a backup!]. Auto-Parking or not, think it is proper to finish the fetched work. If not, don't keep projects waiting or be served with aborts, because A/B/C had work again.

One day asked knreed to implement a delayed kick-in of the "if there is no work for... ", to only send alternate work if the client has run dry of WCG work. This combined with the zero resource for backup project would give the maximum "favored research".

edit: ** already running on the client.
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Re: Low Work for Help Conquer Cancer ( Nov 20, 2012 )

Seke,

thanx for sharing the idea of "parked" backup project .. As I prefer tha cancer-related projects that should be ( now ) be a genious solution ( HCC as the preferred and HFCC as the the "backup" )

Added now the HFCC also to my project list .. That gives me hopefully time to crunch as long as the HCC has challenges smile
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