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Hardnews
Senior Cruncher England Joined: Oct 11, 2008 Post Count: 151 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I fall into the category of 'Nerd' so here's my 3 Euro's worth.
----------------------------------------Inexpensive tends to equate to 'slow' unless you buy used. There are handful of people who have run WCG on Intel Atoms (netbooks), myself included, and they do eventually turn in results. One suggestion (there will be others) The later Intel Atom CPUs benchmark (passmark) at about twice the rate of the 2004-ish Pentium 4 3Ghz chips, and the current (affordable) queen of Atom motherboards will have a D2550 on it, or at least a D2500. They're not cheap, but boards like the charming Intel D2550MUD2 are asingle board PC with DVI/VGA graphix which do crunch a lot of work at very low power. They benchmark (Passmark) at about 674 and have a Tdp of about 10 watts, so they can run from solar panels, and boot from USB sticks. They'll run Windows 7/8 or Linux quite happily and are passively cooled but still require forced airflow for 100 per cent 24/7 crunching. With a 2.55" SSD, 2GB of RAM they pull around 13 watts at 100% on both cores. I have one awaiting set-up, and will post some results next week. However, as others have pointed out, getting work done on slow CPU's might mean work units cannot be delivered in the timescales required at WCG, possibly a case with the Raspberry Pi. The early Celeron CPU's in the Asus EeePc701 were capable of around one work unit per week. If you want smaller, faster, and more expensive there's the Intel NUC. Apologies for the many edits. People keep interrupting me and asking me to 'work'. [Edit 10 times, last edit by Hardnews at Feb 13, 2013 3:32:00 PM] |
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TPCBF
Master Cruncher USA Joined: Jan 2, 2011 Post Count: 2173 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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As the new Model B has just been launched which has 1Gb ram, it appears to be quite stable and the potential is there. Where did you get that info from? FAIK, the B model was upgraded a while ago from 256MB to 512MB of RAM, I can see nowhere on their web site any announcement of a 1GB version. And the CPU is anything but "very fast"... The latest announcement from them so far has been that they finally ship the A model (with 256MB RAM, no Ethernet, only one USB port)... Ralf [Edit 1 times, last edit by TPCBF at Feb 13, 2013 9:04:50 PM] |
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Hardnews
Senior Cruncher England Joined: Oct 11, 2008 Post Count: 151 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Un-besmirched by practicality, impossibility, common-sense or logic, R-Pi's can Boinc and look for aliens in the skies.
http://burdeview.blogspot.co.uk/p/raspberry-pi-boinc-project-ive-created.html Should this not be enough, it appears that the danged things can be over-clocked. What next? Running Windows? :-) |
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Hardnews
Senior Cruncher England Joined: Oct 11, 2008 Post Count: 151 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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As a postscript I can add that a 'mighty' dual-core D2550 Atom pulls 29.5 watts at 100% crunch, can be cooled without a fan, and benchmarks at 627 fp, 1831 integer under Ubuntu 11.04. Crunches 4 WUs at once with Hyperthreading.
----------------------------------------An HCC work unit takes about nine hours to crunch, compared with about nine minutes on my larger GPU box which pulls nearly 300 watts. The Atom Boinc benchmarks are around Pentium III levels (?) The Atom is quieter though, as in silent. The Atom mobo with CPU was £60, rather more than a Rasb-Pi but it do crunch over 4 'cores'. [Edit 2 times, last edit by Hardnews at Feb 16, 2013 9:30:29 PM] |
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oliverstirling
Advanced Cruncher United Kingdom Joined: May 7, 2007 Post Count: 107 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I would agree that the research teams behind the projects will have to look long and hard at whether compiling for ARM based systems will be worth it. However, with continuing developments in the field and changes in computing trends it is something that we should definitely be keeping an eye on and not dismiss out of hand...especially when someone comes up with something like this:
http://www.southampton.ac.uk/~sjc/raspberrypi/ Anyone for a low(ish) cost supercomputer? |
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Former Member
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As a postscript I can add that a 'mighty' dual-core D2550 Atom pulls 29.5 watts at 100% crunch, can be cooled without a fan, and benchmarks at 627 fp, 1831 integer under Ubuntu 11.04. Crunches 4 WUs at once with Hyperthreading. An HCC work unit takes about nine hours to crunch, compared with about nine minutes on my larger GPU box which pulls nearly 300 watts. The Atom Boinc benchmarks are around Pentium III levels (?) The Atom is quieter though, as in silent. The Atom mobo with CPU was £60, rather more than a Rasb-Pi but it do crunch over 4 'cores'. Yesterday when looking at the [original] post I came to 45 watts per HCC-GPU task and 67 watts for HCC-CPU on the atom. The question left was [in addition to how many GPU tasks running concurrent], how much the overall classic Desktop/GPU wattage TDP was. Then we could compute proper watts per GPU task v CPU-Atom one. BTW, my speculation is that the Linux-64 desktop with GPU would far outperform the Windows version. The CPU only version for me does that... dual boot W7-64 versus Linux-64 Ubuntu 12.10 |
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Hardnews
Senior Cruncher England Joined: Oct 11, 2008 Post Count: 151 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I think that some research might be usefully done to investigate Rasb-pis, Atoms etc, maybe clustered?
----------------------------------------Though the Atom has the edge of being WGC 'compat' out of the box. The first valid results are back, so far so good. It did take '14 hours 7 mins' to crunch an HCC WU, which is not remotely fast, but at the same time, it was crunching 3 others for its 30 watts at-the-wall consumption. (Ubuntu 11.04 32 bit, 4Gb SODIMM, 250 Gb 2.5" drive). This is rather more than the 10 watts MAX TDP of the D2550 CPU But, of course, there's a cost to Rasb-pis and Atom boards, I agree that the money might be better spent (for WCG) on a GPU? Of course, for a 'novelty' low power machine, the fact that it produces useful work at all is good news. A pity the embedded on-chip GMA GPU cannot do any work (How about a Linux Rasb-pi running WGC/Boinc under Wine?) Here is the er, mighty Atom crunshing for WCG on my desk: ![]() [Edit 6 times, last edit by Hardnews at Feb 18, 2013 2:55:26 PM] |
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Former Member
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Linux [Rasp]Berryboot: http://www.webupd8.org/2013/02/raspberry-pi-easily-boot-multiple-linux.html
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jeanrochefort
Cruncher Joined: Mar 25, 2011 Post Count: 5 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Ouch,
Now I've replaced my old server by a RPi, and can not contribute to WCG anymore with boinc 'cause not compiled in armhf :s May be there's another program who can connect to WCG and can make contribution to, with RPi compatibilities ? |
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Former Member
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RPi is a "nice to play with" at this time. One or 2 projects may have a science compiled for this device.
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