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Former Member
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The "Inconclusive" was looked at some years ago [off-line], and one suggestion made was to name them "Pending Revalidation"... less worrying -- snip from SekeRob [Apr 1, 2012 7:57:56 AM] post I also endorse "Pending Revalidation"... Reserving the word "Inconclusive" in use cases where if and only if we have a case of a truly inconclusive doneWU in that the results do not match some correctness/accuracy criteria, and using another word to reflect the intent of checking a doneWU from time to time. Because there is the possibility that the correctness/accuracy criteria itself may be the one in deviation/error (and not the doneWU) and therefore the need to also calibrate/check the said criteria, the ideal word to be used needs to also reflect that. I think "Pending Revalidation" is much nearer to that ideal word. To continue to use the word "Inconclusive" for cases that are essentially for calibration/checking purposes is not only circuitous, but also goes against the science hallmark of directness, accuracy and precision -- including the choice of words. ; ;edit1_2012.04.01Su.2118(none-DST).utc > readability improvements ; [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Apr 1, 2012 9:18:17 PM] |
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littlepeaks
Veteran Cruncher USA Joined: Apr 28, 2007 Post Count: 748 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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I was looking at mine last night, and it appears that every one of my WUs for as long as I can go back has been marked "Inconclusive", and everyone of them has turned into a "Valid". Don't recall ever having an error on CCW. And my PC has never been used to validate someone else's CCW work. Guess that's the way it goes. It almost seems like I should stop crunching CCW, because every one of my CCW WUs has to be revalidated (redone).
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Bugg
Senior Cruncher USA Joined: Nov 19, 2006 Post Count: 271 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I get a LOT of _1 and _2 work units for C4CW. Usually that accounts for almost all of my PV ones, to be honest. I've even had a few _3's. So when I saw the Inconclusives, naturally I wondered what the heck was going on. :)
----------------------------------------Heck, I have a cache of 0.3 days, and even with that I still tend to return the _1 and _2 well before the _0 ones are returned.  i5-12600K (3.7GHz), 32GB DDR5, Win11 64bit Home |
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littlepeaks
Veteran Cruncher USA Joined: Apr 28, 2007 Post Count: 748 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Ahhh. All the results I returned today are marked valid, not requiring a 2nd validation. I think I got about 18 invalids in a row before today. And I'm running all projects, not just CCW.
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GIBA
Ace Cruncher Joined: Apr 25, 2005 Post Count: 5374 Status: Offline |
Oh,
---------------------------------------- my time to check and saw that I got a lot of inconclusives of C4CW project only... was more than eight Inconclusives pages... a lot for me ! Not a new computer, on the contrary.. it is a old on and very very reliable machine. Nothing special happenned during the crunchs, and I had a mixed crunch with C4CW tasks (most, around 98%) and few ones from CFSW. Just verify that the common characteristic among all inconclusives tasks was the downloded day and theb batch (April, 15). Never happened it before with none of my machines. Appear that there is a huge problem with C4CW tasks. Verified that it happened at least in the last seven days, maybe more, I can't be more precise. So, I suggest that tech team take a look at it. Below follow an extract of my more old Inconclusives results waiting for a mate replication to be validated or not: Filter by: Result Status: Inconclusive Project Name: All Page: < First 1 ... 3 4 5 6 7 8 ... Result Name Device Name Status Sent Time Time Due / Return Time CPU Time (hours) Claimed/ Granted BOINC Credit c4cw_ target05_ 232472455_ 0-- LAB1 Inconclusive 15/04/12 11:48:39 24/04/12 04:29:27 2.44 44.2 / 0.0 c4cw_ target05_ 232470365_ 0-- LAB1 Inconclusive 15/04/12 11:48:39 24/04/12 04:29:02 2.44 44.2 / 0.0 c4cw_ target05_ 232473720_ 0-- LAB1 Inconclusive 15/04/12 11:48:39 24/04/12 04:29:02 2.43 44.1 / 0.0 c4cw_ target05_ 232470608_ 0-- LAB1 Inconclusive 15/04/12 11:48:39 24/04/12 04:29:02 2.43 44.1 / 0.0 c4cw_ target05_ 232471836_ 0-- LAB1 Inconclusive 15/04/12 11:48:39 24/04/12 04:29:02 2.43 44.2 / 0.0 c4cw_ target05_ 232482835_ 0-- LAB1 Inconclusive 15/04/12 11:48:39 24/04/12 01:43:28 2.38 44.6 / 0.0 c4cw_ target05_ 232488122_ 0-- LAB1 Inconclusive 15/04/12 11:49:05 19/04/12 07:10:27 2.43 45.0 / 0.0 c4cw_ target05_ 232496277_ 0-- LAB1 Inconclusive 15/04/12 11:49:55 18/04/12 12:09:05 2.44 45.6 / 0.0 c4cw_ target05_ 232495143_ 0-- LAB1 Inconclusive 15/04/12 11:49:55 18/04/12 12:09:05 2.43 45.5 / 0.0 c4cw_ target05_ 232497760_ 0-- LAB1 Inconclusive 15/04/12 11:49:55 18/04/12 09:42:50 2.44 44.9 / 0.0 c4cw_ target05_ 232481927_ 0-- LAB1 Inconclusive 15/04/12 11:49:28 18/04/12 07:16:59 2.43 44.9 / 0.0 I don't know if it help, but will post anyway. Fllow find the result log of one of my Inconclusive results, that is similar of all others. Hope that it help the investigation: Result Log Result Name: c4cw_ target05_ 232481927_ 0-- <core_client_version>6.10.58</core_client_version> <![CDATA[ <stderr_txt> Commandline = projects/www.worldcommunitygrid.org/wcg_c4cw_lmps_6.41_windows_x86_64 -screen none -in in.wcg.acc -var wcgsteps1 10000 -var wcgsteps2 10000 -var loop 0 -var restart 0 -var rinterval 100 -var ifile in.wcg.acc -var wcgseed 232481927 [01:49:42] Percent complete = 0.499975 [01:50:25] Percent complete = 0.999950 [01:51:08] Percent complete = 1.499925 [01:51:52] Percent complete = 1.999900 [01:52:36] Percent complete = 2.499875 [01:53:19] Percent complete = 2.999850 [01:54:03] Percent complete = 3.499825 [01:54:47] Percent complete = 3.999800 [01:55:31] Percent complete = 4.499775 [01:56:14] Percent complete = 4.999750 [01:56:58] Percent complete = 5.499725 [01:57:41] Percent complete = 5.999700 [01:58:25] Percent complete = 6.499675 [01:59:08] Percent complete = 6.999650 [01:59:52] Percent complete = 7.499625 [02:00:36] Percent complete = 7.999600 [02:01:21] Percent complete = 8.499575 [02:02:04] Percent complete = 8.999550 [02:02:48] Percent complete = 9.499525 [02:03:33] Percent complete = 9.999500 [02:04:16] Percent complete = 10.499475 [02:05:00] Percent complete = 10.999450 [02:05:44] Percent complete = 11.499425 [02:06:27] Percent complete = 11.999400 [02:07:11] Percent complete = 12.499375 [02:07:55] Percent complete = 12.999350 [02:08:38] Percent complete = 13.499325 [02:09:22] Percent complete = 13.999300 [02:10:05] Percent complete = 14.499275 [02:10:49] Percent complete = 14.999250 [02:11:33] Percent complete = 15.499225 [02:12:16] Percent complete = 15.999200 [02:12:58] Percent complete = 16.499175 [02:13:38] Percent complete = 16.999150 [02:14:22] Percent complete = 17.499125 [02:15:06] Percent complete = 17.999100 [02:15:49] Percent complete = 18.499075 [02:16:32] Percent complete = 18.999050 [02:17:16] Percent complete = 19.499025 [02:18:00] Percent complete = 19.999000 [02:18:43] Percent complete = 20.498975 [02:19:27] Percent complete = 20.998950 [02:20:11] Percent complete = 21.498925 [02:20:55] Percent complete = 21.998900 [02:21:39] Percent complete = 22.498875 [02:22:22] Percent complete = 22.998850 [02:23:06] Percent complete = 23.498825 [02:23:50] Percent complete = 23.998800 [02:24:35] Percent complete = 24.498775 [02:25:18] Percent complete = 24.998750 [02:26:01] Percent complete = 25.498725 [02:26:45] Percent complete = 25.998700 [02:27:29] Percent complete = 26.498675 [02:28:12] Percent complete = 26.998650 [02:28:56] Percent complete = 27.498625 [02:29:40] Percent complete = 27.998600 [02:30:23] Percent complete = 28.498575 [02:31:07] Percent complete = 28.998550 [02:31:51] Percent complete = 29.498525 [02:32:35] Percent complete = 29.998500 [02:33:19] Percent complete = 30.498475 [02:34:02] Percent complete = 30.998450 [02:34:46] Percent complete = 31.498425 [02:35:30] Percent complete = 31.998400 [02:36:13] Percent complete = 32.498375 [02:36:58] Percent complete = 32.998350 [02:37:42] Percent complete = 33.498325 [02:38:25] Percent complete = 33.998300 [02:39:09] Percent complete = 34.498275 [02:39:53] Percent complete = 34.998250 [02:40:36] Percent complete = 35.498225 [02:41:20] Percent complete = 35.998200 [02:42:04] Percent complete = 36.498175 [02:42:47] Percent complete = 36.998150 [02:43:31] Percent complete = 37.498125 [02:44:15] Percent complete = 37.998100 [02:44:58] Percent complete = 38.498075 [02:45:42] Percent complete = 38.998050 [02:46:26] Percent complete = 39.498025 [02:47:10] Percent complete = 39.998000 [02:47:53] Percent complete = 40.497975 [02:48:37] Percent complete = 40.997950 [02:49:21] Percent complete = 41.497925 [02:50:05] Percent complete = 41.997900 [02:50:49] Percent complete = 42.497875 [02:51:33] Percent complete = 42.997850 [02:52:17] Percent complete = 43.497825 [02:53:00] Percent complete = 43.997800 [02:53:44] Percent complete = 44.497775 [02:54:28] Percent complete = 44.997750 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Regards.
Cheers ! GIB@
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GIBA
Ace Cruncher Joined: Apr 25, 2005 Post Count: 5374 Status: Offline |
And the huge problem continue reaching more batches.
----------------------------------------My inconclusives pages are increasing too much, once almost all my returned results are there... too bad ! Just unchecked this project until saw some position from tech team with a fair solution... 
Cheers ! GIB@
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astrolabe.
Senior Cruncher Joined: May 9, 2011 Post Count: 496 Status: Offline |
My Inconclusives went from 3 pages to 0 with no errors. Where's the fire?
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Hello astrolabe,
----------------------------------------My Inconclusives went from 3 pages to 0 with no errors. Where's the fire? Shake, rattle and roll. Some people are being rocked pretty hard these last 2 months.1) The BOINC upgrade on the server with all its complications. 2) VINA problems with possible new AMD homogenous redundancy class. 3) HCMD2 changes causing more problems with estimated times (plus some problems on servers - I suspect). 4) CFSW units going Invalid. knreed says that WCG is talking with project scientists on this. Perhaps the validation criteria need some loosening. We'll see. But this can cause a lot of Inconclusives for people not used to it. 5) Some people are being at least jarred by running one project exclusively while the new BOINC server code keeps freezing processes until one of them is kicked, making individual projects seem jerky with periods when no work units are available.  All this is almost unnoticeable to people who don't haunt BOINC Manager.  So you are right, astrolabe. This isn't a fire, just a lot of prickly heat.  Lawrence Added: People interested in Inconclusive may find this vaguely related: yesterday knreed stated the current requirements for a host to be reliable, this again is now done at the app_version level. To be reliable a host must have 5 consecutive valid results, be allowed the full daily quota of results for the app_version (120), and have a average turnaround for the app_version less than 2 days. [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Apr 25, 2012 2:13:25 PM] |
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astrolabe.
Senior Cruncher Joined: May 9, 2011 Post Count: 496 Status: Offline |
Shake, rattle and roll. Some people are being rocked pretty hard these last 2 months I'll understand if users were being subjected to Errors or Invalids, but the thread is about Inconclusives, not Errors. I see users crying for a wingman. I just don't see the point of worrying about these unless they error. Then you can start to worry, if it happens. |
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cjslman
Master Cruncher Mexico Joined: Nov 23, 2004 Post Count: 2082 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Just as a comment... my last 8 C4CW WUs (between yesterday & today) are being tagged as inconclusive
---------------------------------------- . This is from a laptop that has MORE than demonstrated it's reliability. All WUs before this were being accepted OK. Guess I'll have to wait until they're cleared... no clue why it started. CJSL Crunching for a better Earth |
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