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krakatuk
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Re: Is the project going faster than expected?

Great explanation, Mysteron347!

Now - if the remaining 70% was split 50/50 - there may be an argument for that. Or perhaps the 70% should be split 20/10 to keep in line with the 'dedicated' proportions as an indicator of 'popularity' - I can see logic in that method.

Taking one of these propotions would be fair.

I would really like to know the opinion of our "community advisors" on this topic.

@Dark Angel: Your reaction here is looking like a reaction of a person believing in an idol just being said that this idol is nothing. Cool down!
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Re: Is the project going faster than expected?


I would really like to know the opinion of our "community advisors" on this topic.

@Dark Angel: Your reaction here is looking like a reaction of a person believing in an idol just being said that this idol is nothing. Cool down!


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The whole concept is very simple here. The project settings determine what YOU crunch. That's it. *****

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Re: Is the project going faster than expected?

Ok guys. The discussion is interesting but let's stay clam and friendly as there is no absolute truth as always. The debate is interesting as depending on how we look: from the single crunchers perspective, or the single project perspective, or the whole WCG system overall, things may show differently.
What is important is that we are free to decide for which project we want to crunch and spend our money. As long as this is possible, then for me things are fine. smile
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Re: Is the project going faster than expected?

My *opinion* is... that if it were technically possible, to have a fairly equal share of work for the selected sciences, whatever mix selection is made. If that were possible, which is not AFAIK, than I'd be not in need of changing profiles every other day. Mixes are good for efficiency on multi-threaded device, which is why I try to always have 2-3, heavy and light. If then only light comes, or only heavy, it is a defeat of the optimal *put at disposal* resource.

Whatever other speculation of underlying evil or nefariousness... If WCG uses the 'All projects' selected devices pool to balance the different sciences, is fine with me. After all, those with ''All projects'' have chosen to volunteer their cycles to the community as a whole, without giving any preferential statement on any of the researches. If a particular science is on the brink of an much promising experiment and pushed ahead in the hopper conveyor, that's fine too to me. Anyone objecting?

Net, I'm not opposed to how WCG steers the 'All project' devices, but like for fair shares to arrive for those that have paired in down to a few. Those on 1 science get anyway preferred service... they've made the choice to focus on *their* science.

Rest assured if it were money say someone donating a million to SCRIPPS to ensure FAAH research is conducted without diversion, then SCRIPPS will manage other sources of funds it already was receiving towards other researches. We have no say in that I'd think. FTM, WCG puts up the millions to keep the grid in top notch operational state. Without that, there would not have been the science done for most of those what's hosted here.

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P.S. The small print in my previous post stands. If it were possible.

It's Thursday today for the distributor reweighing. Now that DSFL runs hours shorter, it be nice if there could be put more into the hopper far as I'm concerned. The 7 day running share dropped to 6th spot. ;D

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Re: Is the project going faster than expected?

Sek,

The weight in the feeder has been increased by 2x :)

As for the fair share 'All Projects' right now it is not feasible and would require code changes to the server backend. Also, it would require more conversations from our team on how we would like to implement that type of change. So as you can probably tell from the previous sentences it would take time as we have not thought about making that type of change yet. It has not been on the radar so to speak.

But since it was brought up I have put a place holder on our list of items to fix/enhance so it will not get lost.

Thanks,
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Re: Is the project going faster than expected?

Ringraziamenti Sr. Uplinger Sir, and kwool you put a PH in for the item of contention. [Extended] Beta testing next week after... it's really time to turn that gold far top left into red ;?

-- SekeRob

edit: Briefly increased my Windows machine's cache to nearly 2 days and saw a nice share of Clean Water + Leishmaniasis arrive, the CEP2 quantity selected already maxed. Thx, just as the doctor ordered. \o/
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Re: Is the project going faster than expected?

Thanks for your statement, Uplinger!

I had some thoughts about this topic last days and I think I understand now better how the whole system works.

It seems to be designed to avoid any deficit of WUs for any particular project. So no "exclusive" crunchers run out of work. It's just trying always to have same amount of work on the server for all projects. That makes a lot of sense for the whole grid, but has a side-effect which we have already discussed here - the whole resources of WCG are somewhere equally shared between all projects (exception are projects having some technical issues).

Analysing Sekerob's statistics page I found out that the feeder seems to take runtime as a base to share resources between projects - most of the projects have similar runtime/month. But what's interesting - they have different performance (look at GFLOPS, performed by every project in the same time!). Project with better performance just get faster stronger systems doing it's WUs.

So I thing I have a solution for those who prefer any particular project (I think many of us have their preferences) and whant to give more power to it:
Run the project you prefer on your best powerfull systems and any other project on the slower systems. You cannot change amount of runtime given to a project, but you still can change the amount of work done in this runtime wink

Please don't think I'm trying to hijack WCG. I don't! I just want to understand how it works and to use this knowledge to make a benefit for everybody.
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Re: Is the project going faster than expected?

You cannot change amount of runtime given to a project, but you still can change the amount of work done in this runtime

Exactly, so as you do twice the wu's on your powerfull machine,
it will slow down the amount it hands out to others to balance.

Crunch and be happy :)
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Re: Is the project going faster than expected?

Run the project you prefer on your best powerfull systems and any other project on the slower systems. You cannot change amount of runtime given to a project, but you still can change the amount of work done in this runtime wink



Been doing that for years!
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Re: Is the project going faster than expected?

Whilst the more experienced individual crunchers will have some feel of what runs best under what OS and what CPU, running the [personally] preferred project on the most powerful system is not necessarily the best utilization of the horsepower, noting that WCG as yet has nothing in place in server / task assignment logic to send specific tasks to best equipped devices and at what mix [the mix is important]. Further into the future BOINC server and client releases will have that skill. Of course, this ''best suited'' may not fit the idea of individual volunteers, so from past discussions, there may well be an option to say yes / no to that approach... if a donator wants to only do XY or Z, that has to be respected. Anyone badge hunting might still want to do e.g. the heavy CEP2 to put in the time, though the device might not be optimal, so when that automations comes it will add yet another few bells and whistles to the device profiles.

Now was this thread about how long DSFL will run... the average run time climbed back up by half and hour in the last few days after dropping 2.75 in the days before that ;?

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