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Sylwester Zdanowski
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Something worth using BOINIC Agent?

No other category is better for this question. I hope to hear answer from Community Advisor.

From time to time you inform about the project ending. Are you able to specify a particular profit beyond the purely theoretical knowledge?
For example: "soon cure for muscular dystrophy based on the results of the WCG will be avible". Not necessarily mircale drug, but new and better.

My Point is, I am looking for something which would not exist without you and without participants in projects such as the WCG. And something beneficial on a larger scale than "scientists in laboratory". Something worth using BOINIC Agent for individuals currently unconvinced.
I do not really perceive anything like that. Meanwhile, this information would be quite useful for me.
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Re: Something worth using BOINIC Agent?

Hi Sylwester, have you tried looking in the "Research News & Updates" update section of the website (there's a link to research papers here )

Quite often with science of this nature, WCG is providing the computed raw data for other scientists to use/expand upon, so, although we'd all like to see x, y & z cured just solely by the efforts of WCG, things don't normally happen like that. Also, due to the simple nature of science, drugs need a lot of time/effort to develop - as there's numerous different testing phases that need to be worked through.
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Re: Something worth using BOINIC Agent?

Hi gb009761,
I understand what you mean. I also know about what is available. Let me explain that you do not need to convince me that it takes time ....
My question stands: Does anyone knows a measurable (and useful for every day) end result of WCG?
Maybe a little different:
Is there a drug or other product in preparation, in further stage than computed raw data?
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Re: Something worth using BOINIC Agent?

Hi Sylwester,

HFCC, HPF2, FAAH, DDDT2, are [wet]lab testing or further researching interesting compounds. Several projects completed the development and publication on-line of the result database such as Genomic Comparison and HPF[1].

A sales pitch *cheat-sheet* would be nice to have, this being the closest: http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/research/viewAllProjects.do?proj=comp. Absent that, the Research and News links gb009761 gave and the Project Research pages that link to the official websites is where the detail info is.

Thanks for crunching at WCG and spreading the word.

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Hello Sylwester Zdanowski
-- Does anyone knows a measurable (and useful for every day) end result of WCG?
-- Is there a drug or other product in preparation, in further stage than computed raw data?

My answer is in the negative; and that is: there is no material result/product (say drugs) that would directly relate-, nor a concrete metric that would measure the end result of-, the raw data from WCG. Nor should there be one.

It is the body of knowledge that is developed that builds the foundation for a material product (like drugs) to morph from a concept using the raw data to a final product using expansion/development of the raw data. Think of raw data as stem cells and the final product as the specialized cells, say, liver cells. The path or direct connection from raw data to final product is not so much as important as the idea that liver cells, for example, would not come about without first starting out from stem cells in the same way that the final product will not come about without first starting out from the raw data.
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Re: Something worth using BOINIC Agent?

Andzgrid, your comparison is excellent!
Unfortunately let me play devil's advocate:
"Great, so we produce stem cells. But I do not see a antything helping with diseases that we have now. It's waste of time end electric energy(money) nothing more."

I am little disappointed. In fact, over the years we've used loot of carbon(not only) to run computers in the WCG. (conventional oil ends in about 40 years, carbon 120-another long topic)
To be honest what's the point of fishing? It may be pleasure. But when you are hungry it is only means to eat. WCG is somehow similar to fishing, the catch is - we are hungry and we need to start catching fish.

In the end most of people, that aren't smart enough to be scientists can't do nothing more and nothing smarter than crunching. Unfortunately not many agree with You and with me for that mater.
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Re: Something worth using BOINIC Agent?

Fightaids@home:

https://secure.worldcommunitygrid.org/about_us/viewNewsArticle.do?articleId=122
Not only two new compounds found but also a whole new class of drugs may be developed

Help conquer cancer:
https://secure.worldcommunitygrid.org/about_us/viewNewsArticle.do?articleId=130

They are developing(more like polishing it now) a software that can automatize an important work in cancer research(not limited to cancer).

These are just a few successes from WCG.
Hopefully in a couple of years they can be put into practice.

Check out the other successes in the Research page.

Also, it's BOINC, not BOINIC smile
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Sylwester Zdanowski:

If you somehow decouple a benefit or a satisfaction of a want or need -- from any association to a particular product or action, like what fishing is to satisfy hunger or the need for food, I'm sure you will see the transition that permeates between the action and the benefit so that the question of "why fish?" is convincingly answered. If you are not successful in that decoupling, then you will always want a material to hold, a product to measure, a thing to see -- before you are able to justify or rationalize your actions.

WCG is about facilitating basic research and basic research does not concern itself with a pre-set target product or result to produce before it rationalizes why it needs to do research. There is no pre-requiste that a material product needs to come out of the basic research before the research is justified. It is ironic that it is with this thinking that final products take embryonic form. But that product is for commercial companies to develop (and not WCG) after years of further development of knowledge from what started as raw data from WCG from crunchers crunching WUs.

As for the "can't do nothing more and nothing smarter than crunching", well, it doesn't make a difference: the machines turn out the same data. As for the scientists, they play a role in the solution, but they are not, nor will they ever be, all of the solution. After all, it takes two to tango wink .
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Re: Something worth using BOINIC Agent?

As for the "can't do nothing more and nothing smarter than crunching", well, it doesn't make a difference: the machines turn out the same data. As for the scientists, they play a role in the solution, but they are not, nor will they ever be, all of the solution. After all, it takes two to tango

It was a shortcut... the bottom line is everyone should think about world for next generation.....
Thanks for all opinions.
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Re: Something worth using BOINIC Agent?

To compare it to fishing, WCG does not raise, catch, market or develop fish, we are mapping the oceans and providing a database of possiable locations to find/develop or catch fish.
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