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Bearcat
Master Cruncher USA Joined: Jan 6, 2007 Post Count: 2803 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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As was mentioned above, we are the beginning stage to hopes of a cure. If you look at the time crunched that WCG has done, and compare that to a small computer farm these scientists would probably have used, the difference is very substantial. Instead of 10's of years to produce this data, they get in in a couple of years or less. It would be awesome if a break through was directly related to WCG. We are just part of a large pool of instruments used to find cures. Hats off to the scientists, programmers, WCG, and IBM to give us a chance to crunch in the hope for a cure. Hope you plan to keep crunching.
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Andzgrid, your comparison is excellent! Unfortunately let me play devil's advocate: "Great, so we produce stem cells. But I do not see a antything helping with diseases that we have now. It's waste of time end electric energy(money) nothing more." I am little disappointed. In fact, over the years we've used loot of carbon(not only) to run computers in the WCG. (conventional oil ends in about 40 years, carbon 120-another long topic) Sylwester, many people don't run a computer only for WCG. For example, I'm doing my day to day work on all machines that run WCG, so I'm not wasting energy more than I do for work. Of course, you can have one or more computers dedicated to WCG alone, but that's another point. Also, why do you think only about the energy a computer uses and not for example about energy used to make a computer physically. The latter is many times higher than what a computer will use in its entire life. The same applies to many other things such as netbooks, tablets and many other things. Also, many people dont't do anything meaningful with these devices so if I follow your way of thinking...well, these devices should not be made at all since they use an enormous amount of energy. Have a look here: and read point 8.]power saving article[/url] and read point 8. [Edit 2 times, last edit by Former Member at Aug 12, 2011 9:52:12 AM] |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
To compare it to fishing, WCG does not raise, catch, market or develop fish, we are mapping the oceans and providing a database of possiable locations to find/develop or catch fish. To continue this line of thought, consider also that WCG is also a developing technology and we are participating in that development. As we do we help WCG and researchers develop the methods to better map the oceans and develop the databases of locations to find fish. Those here that fallow the Beta test forums can confirm that the WCG techs test new versions of work unites to speed up or otherwise improve results not just to start new projects or phases. I suspect that there are many important problems that can only be solved (solved may not be the best word in all cases) by massive amounts of computer power and time. I look forward to see what comes as this technology develops. I am also happy to be part, in my small way, of what is happening today. |
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Mysteron347
Senior Cruncher Australia Joined: Apr 28, 2007 Post Count: 179 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I am little disappointed. In fact, over the years we've used loot of carbon(not only) to run computers in the WCG. (conventional oil ends in about 40 years, carbon 120-another long topic) Hmm. If we say that there would be perhaps 3 million computers that have ever been used concurrently on all BOINC projects combined, then with a world population of 6,000 million, this represents about 0.05% running BOINC on average. The vast majority of these installations are not run as a hobby - that sector might number 1% of that total, perhaps. Every week, vast herds of people attend "sporting events" generally to watch overpaid superegos on legs propel various kinds of ball around a paddock by means of limbs or sticks. This consumes vast quantities of fossil fuels, and there is more added by the even vaster numbers who stare vacantly at an energy-hungry screen as their participation in the ceremony. How about this energy abuse by the 99.9995% non-hobby-BOINCers? We have built cities and five days out of seven, a great proportion of the population migrates from the suburbs to the city and back again, consuming massive quantities of these resources. In a large proportion of cases, the work could actually be conducted from home, but the "manager" class is too dull to be able to measure output and insists that the workforce be visible and tangible, otherwise the work is not done. You seem very concerned about the usage by hobby-BOINCers who are at least trying to produce something positive. Are these gross abuses of our planet's limited resources by "sporters" and "managers" simply so overwhelming? Or perhaps it's more productive to approach those who have some awareness rather than engage the politics of self-interest in the community of mundanes. If you really want something to worry about, try this: We started with villages which were supplied with food from the surrounding farms. As the villages grew into towns and cities, the productive land was built on to create factories and offices and accommodation. We now have the situation that we are relying on the poorer land to produce our food while we "produce" paperwork and administration in our offices built on our most productive land. Consequently, we have to rely on BOINC to run RICE to help enhance our food production. And to add to the madness, we have the politicians entrenching society's financial system on the 'perceived value' of the land. If you could afford to buy a city block, society's demand for taxes would make it economically unsustainable to use the richest land to produce food. In comparison, hobbyist BOINCers' energy use is not even crumbs, never mind the most minute of small bikkies. |
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Former Member
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Mysteron347: Who are you speaking to? I hope not me, because I'm not afraid about WCG consuming energy.
What you say is very interesting and correct, I think. I'm also interested in the numbers of computers etc that run WCG, but have you got any real numbers, not just "perhaps"? Regards |
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Sgt.Joe
Ace Cruncher USA Joined: Jul 4, 2006 Post Count: 7851 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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See: http://boincstats.com/stats/project_graph.php?pr=wcg
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Mysteron347
Senior Cruncher Australia Joined: Apr 28, 2007 Post Count: 179 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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No, cafeina - responding to Sylwester Zdanowski' comment, as were you.
My figures, were extracted directly from the source of all reliable economic figures, thin air. Well, given vague mentions of a million participants in a larger project, make allowance for different projects, a substantial drop-out rate and a large amount of fudge. Sgt. Joe has recruited the statistics. Blow that out over the number of active BOINC projects, and I'd suggest I've wildly overestimated the BOINC numbers (makes you feel like you're a member of a rather exclusive club...) The issue is that even with this overestimate, the impact of BOINCers is microscopic. That won't stop the critics making Everest out of a grain of sand. In the same way, for some reason the governing authorities in Australia seem to believe that the price of bananas is somehow a major factor in determining the Consumer Price Index. |
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gb009761
Master Cruncher Scotland Joined: Apr 6, 2005 Post Count: 3010 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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In the same way, for some reason the governing authorities in Australia seem to believe that the price of bananas is somehow a major factor in determining the Consumer Price Index. Well, there's got to be some reason somewhere, as to why many polititians have gone around the bend ![]() ![]() |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
[ot]"in Australia seem to believe that the price of bananas is somehow a major factor in determining the Consumer Price Index."
The straight or the bend ones? Over here in EU Europe, they had the mind-numbing rule that cucumbers had to be straight... don't know why... maybe more can fit in a box making transport cheaper.[/ot] --//-- |
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Mysteron347
Senior Cruncher Australia Joined: Apr 28, 2007 Post Count: 179 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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[ot]The straight or the bend ones? Over here in EU Europe, they had the mind-numbing rule that cucumbers had to be straight... don't know why... maybe more can fit in a box making transport cheaper.[/ot] Give politicians a simple-enough measure for them to understand and before you can take your next breath, you're knee-deep in laws, regulations and standards to keep the bureaucracy occupied. ...and it costs so much in wasted resources (see, it's still on that topic...) |
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