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Re: C4CW beta test 12/13/2010

Just picked up a repair unit. Took 24 hours for the first owner to error out with 0.0 cpu time. So far it's running just fine for me, we'll know in about 5 hours if it runs successfully.

Error message for the first computer was -
Result Name: BETA_ c4cw_ target02_ 074906356_ 0--
<core_client_version>6.10.58</core_client_version>
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<message>
process got signal 11
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<stderr_txt>
Commandline = ../../projects/www.worldcommunitygrid.org/wcg_beta12_lmps_6.14_i686-pc-linux-gnu -screen none -in in.wcg.acc -var wcgsteps1 1000 -var wcgsteps2 10000 -var loop 0 -var restart 0 -var rinterval 100 -var ifile in.wcg.acc -var wcgseed 74906356

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Re: C4CW beta test 12/13/2010

Just picked up 2 repair WUs. The client version is listed as 6.13.0. Is this some kind of Beta client? Sure left a weird error message.

Result Log

Result Name: BETA_ c4cw_ target02_ 074938971_ 0--



<core_client_version>6.13.0</core_client_version>
<![CDATA[
<message>
process exited with code 1 (0x1, -255)
</message>
<stderr_txt>
malloc: using debugging hooks
Commandline = ../../projects/www.worldcommunitygrid.org/wcg_beta12_lmps_6.14_i686-pc-linux-gnu -screen none -in in.wcg.acc -var wcgsteps1 1000 -var wcgsteps2 10000 -var loop 0 -var restart 0 -var rinterval 100 -var ifile in.wcg.acc -var wcgseed 74938971
ERROR: Out of range atoms - cannot compute PPPM

</stderr_txt>
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Re: C4CW beta test 12/13/2010

My two betas are valid.

1) 3.34 Hrs vs ~5.89 avg on a C2D 2.0
2) 4.42 Hrs vs ~7.10 avg on a P4 2.8

Both with WinXP 32bit.

Nice improvements!

FWIW, Credit-wise, the difference is:
1) 14.37 GBCxH vs ~12.42 avg
2) 10.90 GBCxH vs ~10.26 avg

(GBCxH="Granted Boinc Credit x Hour") tongue
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Re: C4CW beta test 12/13/2010

hmm, looks like the new algorithm is not quite ready for prime time. hopefully we will get new beta next week smile, so close to my emerald badge
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Re: C4CW beta test 12/13/2010

hmm, looks like the new algorithm is not quite ready for prime time.

Why would you think that? The few errors that I saw were resends and they all validated including my 10 original inconclusives. Lets rock'n'roll. biggrin
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Re: C4CW beta test 12/13/2010

Sekerob, I don't think the betas had any effect on the points for the regular linux WUs or even the beta linux WU. The reason for the reduce pts on linux is really due to 1 person, Mr Kermit. Even before the betas were released, the pts for c4cw has been going down the drain. Mr Kermit has been crunching lots and lots of c4cw WUs and his machine are very, very efficient.
Now, I maybe wrong that Mr Kermit is the caused, but it is still true that the pts for c4cw has been going down before the betas were release. Used to get about 50 pts per Linux WU, now it is not even 40.

Whatever did it, and still not comprehending how only the Linux credits were impacted, my windows staying flat on that 72-73 credit per job, but the mean project credit has been veering up again. Momentarily the Linux tasks in production for clean water are giving 44 and seem to be running slightly faster than before, whilst the application version still is 6.13. Not in the know if Gremlins are akin to MrKermit

For the Beta test the mean run time dropped to 2.9 2.85 hours compared to 4.1 with the 6.13 production version, the Linux side not one bit of change.

Oh, The announcement did not say if the 5000 circulated were all quorum 2, but so far this run, 5629 have validated.

edit: corrected mean beta test run time.
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Re: C4CW beta test 12/13/2010

Sek,

Here is how credit work works for c4cw:

We have a table that stores the average credit per step completed in the workunit for each hr class (hr class for Linux, Windows, Mac).

Here are the current values for production:

28 256 0.00401590056974433 1166770
28 384 0.00674594873767008 6524044
28 770 0.00514894956281149 406545


Currently, all the workunits have the same number of steps per workunit.

256 -> Linux
384 -> Windows
770 -> Mac

This shows that Windows is being awarded .0067/.0040 = 167% of the credit that Linux is for completing the same work. This reflects the fact that Windows was running slower than Linux on the same workunits.

Points are awarded based on how much CPU time is used on a work unit. Since Linux, Mac and Windows are all different operating systems, a different compiler was used to generate the binary code for these application. In some cases the linux compiler produced much more efficient code than the Windows compiler and thus took less CPU time for a work unit.

On the 1:1 credit per work unit with no OS type in mind. That would not be fair to the different operating systems. Because of how the science application was compiled members should not be penalized for being told to run a curved route, when another OS was told to run a straight line to the finish line.

Also, the double points members were noticing originally had the previous beta values in it for credit per work unit. Thus for every result returned the running average changes by 0.1%. This is what I meant by "credit granted will correct itself back to normal". A new running average will be calculated once a majority of the work units running the new version returned their results. But in light of this, we are working on modifying the validator now which will actually create a new running average for the 6.14 science application separate from the 6.13 application.

The increase in speed you noticed on your machines is what we have seen on par with the entire beta windows improvement.

We are working towards making changes for the other science applications where there is a runtime difference between Linux and Windows.

Also, the beta work units were sent out with Zero Redundancy so there should only be a few more stragglers of work units returning.

-Uplinger
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Re: C4CW beta test 12/13/2010


We are working towards making changes for the other science applications where there is a runtime difference between Linux and Windows.

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Sweet, so soon all of the projects will have a major speed boost (HCC the most, since it runs 2x as fast on linux as windows for most ppl)? Thats great news. Hmmm, with all the improvements, the work will be done a whole lot faster. I better step up my effects to reach those quarter century levels.

Can you tell us which project you are working on first? Will it be HCC (since it will probably see the most improvement) or HFCC (which is finishing first (mid 2011)?
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Re: C4CW beta test 12/13/2010

I need to work on switching my machines to Linux!
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Re: C4CW beta test 12/13/2010

? why? if it is true that they plan to make all the windows project just as efficient as linux, what the point? Especially since c4cw improvement made it run 5-10% faster then linux.
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