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Former Member
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Given considerable above average under-claiming for Linux clients, could future and past reporters please include info of the source of their package... Yum/Synaptic/ Berkeley .sh in addition to the bit size.
TYVMIA Sample of many severe underclaiming where wingman not even wants 10 per hour, though capability is clearly 15+. CMD2_ 1425-1TGZ_ A.clustersOccur-3CF6_ E.clustersOccur_ 4_ 30584_ 32129_ 1-- 615 Valid 4-2-11 10:03:24 8-2-11 12:49:38 3.31 28.5 / 44.8 CMD2_ 1425-1TGZ_ A.clustersOccur-3CF6_ E.clustersOccur_ 4_ 30584_ 32129_ 0-- 615 Valid 4-2-11 09:57:43 8-2-11 18:39:21 3.38 61.2 / 44.8 |
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Peao de Obra
Senior Cruncher Brazil Joined: Nov 23, 2010 Post Count: 196 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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1/23/2011 12:33:50 AM Processor: 6 AuthenticAMD AMD Phenom(tm) II X6 1090T Processor [Family 16 Model 10 Stepping 0] 1/23/2011 12:34:32 AM Number of CPUs: 6 1/23/2011 12:34:32 AM 3269 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU 1/23/2011 12:34:32 AM 8169 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU What is your OS, Christos? My Phenom II X6 1075T on Ubuntu 10.10 (64bits - Synaptic) got just: 2323 Whetstone - (I'm disappointed) 14101 Dhrystone ![]() [Edit 2 times, last edit by Peao de Obra at Feb 12, 2011 10:19:20 AM] |
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homeslice
Cruncher USA Joined: Apr 27, 2007 Post Count: 12 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Win 95
----------------------------------------Intel PII 400MHz 384 MBytes RAM 360 MIPS Whetstone 596 MIPS Dhrystone I know you're all jealous... ![]() |
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Peao de Obra
Senior Cruncher Brazil Joined: Nov 23, 2010 Post Count: 196 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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This machine:
----------------------------------------Phenom II X6 1075T on Ubuntu 10.10 (64bits - Boinc from Synaptic): 2323 Whetstone 14101 Dhrystone On W7, got a better whetstone: 2497 Dhrystone was much worse, but I dont remeber the exact number :( So, a newbie's question: What matters most to the crunching? Dhry, Whet or a mixture of both? ![]() ![]() [Edit 1 times, last edit by Peao de Obra at Feb 12, 2011 10:22:42 AM] |
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Former Member
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What matters most to the crunching? Dhry, Whet or a mixture of both? ![]() I don't know about the WCG applications in particular, but "scientific computing" in general is mostly about floating point operations, so that would be Whetstone. Benchmark: Intel i7 2600K @ stock (3.4 GHz), HT on, turbo on Win 7 64-bit BOINC version 6.10.58 for windows_x86_64 8 CPUs 3330 Whetstone 9433 Dhrystone The CPU runs at 3.8 GHz during the benchmark - since the benchmark is single-threaded and loads only one core, it gets the benefit of maximum turbo. Same system with a moderate overclock: Intel i7 2600K @ 4.1 GHz, HT on, turbo off 3914 Whetstone 10181 Dhrystone [Edit 2 times, last edit by Former Member at Feb 15, 2011 4:06:08 PM] |
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Former Member
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The benchmark and claim approach is 'bend' to say the least. No matter if Windows 32 or 64 bit or Linux 32 or 64 bit, the Whetstone test for FPOPS is pretty much the same... they are 32 bit, period. When it comes to Dhrystone / Integers, that's not the case at all... there is a very big difference between the bit sizes of the OS/client and the platforms. Simply though, Whet+Dhrystone is summed and divvied by about 480, which produces the credit claim per hour.
On the server side, it's all thrown in 1 pot... OPS. Then regardless of whether a science is heavy on Floaters or Integers, the credit claims are evaluated and a grant is computed from that. --//-- |
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Former Member
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Just discovered something I didn't know about the benchmarks:
Intel i7 2600K @ 4.0GHz, HT on, turbo off Ubuntu 10.10 64 bit Boinc 6.10.58 for x86_64-pc-linux-gnu (from Ubuntu Software Center) Initial benchmark: Number of CPUs: 8 3468 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU 14596 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU Preference "use 50% of processors": Number of CPUs: 4 3822 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU 25092 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU Can someone tell me why the huge "per CPU" difference, especially on the integer score? I thought the benchmark was single threaded, testing just one core/CPU, and would give about the same result no matter how many real or virtual cores there are? |
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Former Member
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Inclination to think this is an OS/CPU quirk, not BOINC and does explain some outlandish credit claims I've observed on various wingman, who of course are being offed by being declared outlier. Better not make it a habit of repeating this "undocumented trick'' :D
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kateiacy
Veteran Cruncher USA Joined: Jan 23, 2010 Post Count: 1027 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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At the opposite end of the speed spectrum from the Intel 2600K, I've observed similar benchmark differences depending on how many cores I've told BOINC to use.
----------------------------------------Here are results for a dual-core Atom D525 with hyperthreading; clock speed 1.6 GHz; running Ubuntu Lucid 64-bit and BOINC 6.10.17 installed from Ubuntu repository.
I ran these last October when the computer was new; I couldn't tell you which Linux kernel was in it back then. What I was interested in was whether using HT increased or decreased WU throughput, so I ran some C4CW WUs (then target 01) with the following results: elapsed 2 CPUs 11:25:33 4 "CPUs" 14:36:30 So I figured I could run more WUs through per day using all 4 virtual cores. As I said, I ran these tests last Oct., so I'm just looking at the notes I jotted down then. ![]() |
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Former Member
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It it apparently OS-related.
----------------------------------------Here is a comparison between Win 7 and Ubuntu 10.10 using the same hardware and the same BOINC version: Intel i7 2600K @ 4.0GHz, HT on, turbo off Windows 7 64 bit BOINC 6.10.58 for windows_x86_64 # cores 8 6 4 1On Windows 7 the scores are quite stable, independent of the number of active cores. Ubuntu 10.10 64 bit Boinc 6.10.58 for x86_64-pc-linux-gnu (from Ubuntu Software Center) # cores 8 6 4 1On Ubuntu the score increases as the number of active cores decreases, particularly for integer. It seems to me that at least the Dhrystone score is calculated differently on the Linux client. I think it runs the benchmark on all cores available to Boinc, takes the total score and divides by the number of cores. When the number of "Boinc cores" is no more than the number of physical cores, the score is stable. But when the "Boinc cores" also include virtual cores, the score per CPU drops since virtual cores are quite wimpy compared to real ones. If we compare the total Linux score for 4-core integer (all real cores: 4 * 23007 = 92,028) and 8-core integer (all real + all virtual cores: 8 * 14596 = 116,768) the performance increase from using HT is ~25%. Anandtech reports that HT on Nehalem gave a performance gain of 7% floating point, 14% integer and up to 30% "mixed" (presumably from reduced task switching overhead). Sandy Bridge HT may be slightly improved over Nehalem, so I can believe that that the 25% integer gain from HT is real, not just an artifact of the benchmark. (The Atom HT is actually superior percentage wise, according to kateiacy's benchmarks )I don't know what the Windows benchmark does, but it's apparently something different than the Linux version. I suppose the offshoot is that the Linux and Windows benchmarks may both be true (for some value of "true"), but they are not directly comparable. At least not when hyperthreading enters the picture. Better not make it a habit of repeating this "undocumented trick'' :D No worries I guess it just means that we will have to live with some spread between Linux and Windows point claims for a while yet ![]() Edit: Rewrote benchmarks to more compact table format Edit: Reverted table listing for Ubuntu 4-core benchmark to original - had numbers from different benchmark runs in the table and in the percent-gain-from-hyperthreading calculations. There are variations up to ~10% from run to run. [Edit 4 times, last edit by Former Member at Feb 21, 2011 4:53:34 AM] |
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