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Re: Okay, I confez, I'm not a Linux Adapt.

Reading around the forums there's all sorts discussions of "optimize", including a "fantastic" solution resulting 16% improvement by renicing the BOINC science processes. Most tweakers will tell that the ''little'' gains can be made by getting rid of redundant and stealth services (background indexers for instance) ... manuals galore on google what to ditch. What I've been unloading when not being at the keyboard of the Linux quad is the heavily candied Desktop GUI / X11 server and it's paying off per the BOINCTasks result log list since midnight, remotely monitoring. Bracketed times are the reported CPU times as registered by WCG.

WCG 6.17 dddt2 ts02_c254_pca007_0 04:56:01 (04:54:57) 07-02-2011 21:58 07-02-2011 22:00 Reported: OK *
WCG 6.17 dddt2 ts02_c254_pca009_1 04:58:17 (04:56:42) 07-02-2011 17:34 07-02-2011 17:36 Reported: OK *
WCG 6.17 dddt2 ts02_c253_pcb005_1 05:27:43 (05:26:12) 07-02-2011 17:27 07-02-2011 17:29 Reported: OK *
WCG 6.17 dddt2 ts02_c245_pr78a0_0 05:23:53 (05:22:20) 07-02-2011 17:22 07-02-2011 17:24 Reported: OK *
WCG 6.17 dddt2 ts02_c261_pdb000_1 05:37:33 (05:37:03) 07-02-2011 17:02 07-02-2011 17:04 Reported: OK *
WCG 6.17 dddt2 ts02_c254_sr45b1_0 01:37:17 (01:36:41) 07-02-2011 12:36 07-02-2011 12:38 Reported: OK *
WCG 6.17 dddt2 ts02_c254_sr34b1_1 01:37:52 (01:37:22) 07-02-2011 11:59 07-02-2011 12:01 Reported: OK *
WCG 6.17 dddt2 ts02_c254_sr34b0_1 01:36:22 (01:36:02) 07-02-2011 11:58 07-02-2011 11:59 Reported: OK *
WCG 6.17 dddt2 ts02_c249_pqa008_1 05:23:29 (05:22:04) 07-02-2011 11:24 07-02-2011 11:26 Reported: OK *
WCG 6.17 dddt2 ts02_c246_pca000_0 05:23:48 (05:22:30) 07-02-2011 10:58 07-02-2011 11:00 Reported: OK *
WCG 6.17 dddt2 ts02_c243_pca002_1 04:51:24 (04:50:29) 07-02-2011 10:22 07-02-2011 10:24 Reported: OK
WCG 6.17 dddt2 ts02_c241_pcb012_0 05:24:24 (05:22:59) 07-02-2011 10:22 07-02-2011 10:22 Reported: OK *
WCG 6.17 dddt2 ts02_d194_pr78b1_0 05:31:54 (05:30:25) 07-02-2011 06:01 07-02-2011 06:03 Reported: OK *
WCG 6.17 dddt2 ts02_c241_pcb013_0 05:22:57 (05:21:46) 07-02-2011 05:35 07-02-2011 05:37 Reported: OK
WCG 6.17 dddt2 ts02_d194_pr67a1_0 05:32:16 (05:30:31) 07-02-2011 05:31 07-02-2011 05:33 Reported: OK *
WCG 6.17 dddt2 ts02_d197_pla008_0 05:07:16 (05:06:07) 07-02-2011 05:00 07-02-2011 05:02 Reported: OK *
WCG 6.17 dddt2 ts02_c254_sr02a1_0 01:38:16 (01:37:52) 07-02-2011 00:30 07-02-2011 00:33 Reported: OK *
WCG 6.17 dddt2 ts02_c254_sr02b0_0 01:39:14 (01:38:43) 07-02-2011 00:30 07-02-2011 00:33 Reported: OK *
WCG 6.17 dddt2 ts02_c239_pla001_1 05:11:12 (05:09:25) 07-02-2011 00:00 07-02-2011 00:02 Reported: OK *
WCG 6.17 dddt2 ts02_c234_pla004_0 05:10:42 (05:09:11) 06-02-2011 23:57 06-02-2011 23:59 Reported: OK *
WCG 6.17 dddt2 ts02_d181_sr34b1_1 01:41:00 (01:40:18) 06-02-2011 22:52 06-02-2011 22:54 Reported: OK *
WCG 6.17 dddt2 ts02_c252_sr91b0_0 01:34:12 (01:33:45) 06-02-2011 22:49 06-02-2011 22:51 Reported: OK *
WCG 6.17 dddt2 ts02_c192_pqa001_1 05:42:20 (05:30:58) 06-02-2011 21:11 06-02-2011 21:13 Reported: OK *

The bottom one was the last one before doing a Ctrl-Alt-F2 to open terminal session for Ubuntu with Gnome Desktop, then:

sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop

Restarting the GUI is easy and presents the sign-in screen, the desktop back up in 10-15 seconds.

sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start

or as it may be with my system:

start gdm

The newly learned from this blog page: http://theos.in/news/ubuntu-linux-shutdown-the-x-server/

What I got from it was upping the efficiency to 99.7% when the device is left alone and the added beauty which is a major plus over Windows. If the desktop completely hangs Ctrl-Alt-F1/F5 will still work and the GUI can be restarted, without BOINC ever noticing... just crunching on.

PS: Some of the reply stuff in there with control file editing is not for the feeble at command line level. Don't do it if you're not sure you're able to recover. RTFM of course. :P
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Re: Okay, I confez, I'm not a Linux Adapt.

SekeRob --

Since you mention remotely monitoring, I take it that shutting down gdm doesn't disconnect the wireless?

Edit: Yup, I'm at home now and could answer my own question. On my Ubuntu 10.04 the drill is:

[get a terminal window]
sudo service gdm stop
[press Ctrl Alt F1 and log in at prompt]

Once I've logged in, the wireless reconnects and I can access remotely.
When I want to get the Gnome desktop back up:

sudo service gdm start
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Re: Okay, I confez, I'm not a Linux Adapt.

Hi kate,

Yes, to confirm that the WIFI keeps running even when doing exit in the terminal screen, but for that there's still the network-manager and nm-applet commands. I do execute

sudo iwconfig wlan0 power off

to stop from the wifi going to sleep. If you use network-manager, it's been mentioned that it's a weak element having all sorts of nasty side impacts and something new is being coded for Natty Nharwal.

Must say that so-far Maverick is doing better in stability over Lucid, [as reported overlaid this on top of 10.04.] Not in the classic upgrade way as my LL had been so modded that I could not get it to do that.

Spiced up the terminals a bit [can't screen-shot (don't know how yet), but have a general info line at bottom on state of the system and a little menu [byobu **]. It says that the system has been up for nearly 7 days now. Would I've done all the contortions on any windows, it would have long BSODeed.

cheers

cheers

PS, interested in testing new builds and versions without burning every time a new Live CD?... visit this article how to do that from harddisk [probably from USB drive too]: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/02/how-to-boot-iso-with-grub2-easy-way.html#more

edit: and here a pdf from a german company, in english, for those that have windows as a former dearly departed and run Linux entirely without GUI (older bookmark from the time of Linux use contemplation). From GUI to Text: A Windows User's Guide to Running Linux without a GUI

(some of this stuff may have been mentioned before in this thread ;>)

edit2: ** screenshot with byobu and landscape-common, plus a manual


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Re: Okay, I confez, I'm not a Linux Adapt.

Well well, GUI-less crunching produced a new record keeper on the quad:

6.17 dddt2 ts02_d135_pqa007_0 06:00:36 (06:00:27) 13-02-2011 06:33 13-02-2011 06:35 Reported: OK *

Just 9 seconds on 6 hours went to something else. Presently doing an average of 4.5 minutes per core per day that's used by the system... an overall 99.7% of the time reported for results.

Kernel 2.6.35.26 on 10.10

And for those that like to produce smart and glossy screenshots on Linux... Shutter will size the snapshot' window down to the preferred size... you know Alt-Prt to only catch the active window... WCG forum rules still 600x600 pixels maximum. cool
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Re: Okay, I confez, I'm not a Linux Adapt.

Hello Sekerob,

I have been trying to follow your advices (see the post above http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/...ad,28931_offset,80#306745 ), but it didn't really work.

Maybe because I have Ubuntu 10.10 and you only recently upgraded to this, so your advices were ok for 10.04, but I couldn't find the four pieces you mentioned after installing Lm-sensors.

Also, I think I am even less Linux adapt than you! ;-)

Do you have any suggestions (with simple instructions! ;-) ) to keep dynamically under control the temperature with Ubuntu 10.10?

I have a 4 core 8 threads i7 that is already using only 6 out of 8 threads, but still always around 70 C and I would like to avoid using the "Use at most ...% of the CPU time".

Thanks, cheers!
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Re: Okay, I confez, I'm not a Linux Adapt.

@latakia CPU temperatures do not depend much on the OS. In general there are only two ways to reduce CPU temperatures:
  • reduce CPU load: Either by reducing the number of cores ("use X processors" or "use X% of processors") or by reducing CPU time.
  • better cooling: turn up the fans, improve air flow in the computer case or get a better CPU cooler.

Not sure what you mean with "keep temperatures dynamically under control" - if you mean "adjust the fan speeds dynamically", the BIOS is the best bet for the CPU fan.
For case fans, it may be possible to control them from Ubuntu, but it's not all that simple :) I'm using an external controller instead (example), setting it to a rotation speed that is a tradeoff between cooling and noise.
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Re: Okay, I confez, I'm not a Linux Adapt.

The problem with the BIOS control is that it alternates speeds... revs up too high to cool it down, overcools, then revs down until it heats up again above the threshold and on and on.

Yes, it's not all that simple, but when installing 10.10 it was really easy [see later posts in this thread then latakia quoted] This and This. My coolers are now set and dynamically controlled by the fancontrol service.

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Re: Okay, I confez, I'm not a Linux Adapt.

Thanks for the reference, it may come in handy.

An alternative way to keep both temperature and noise under control is to use bigger fans, they can spin more slowly (thereby making less noise) while pushing similar air volume (giving similar cooling effect).
For case cooling you can also use for example two fans spinning slowly rather than one fan spinning fast, it may give the same or better cooling with less noise.

silentpcreview.com has a list of low-noise fans and CPU heat sinks.

As an example, I have an i7 920 in a mid tower case acting as a home server (running Ubuntu 10.10). The case has five 120mm low-noise fans (three intake, two exhaust) turned as low as the external fan speed controller will go (~600 RPM, I think).
The CPU cooler is a Noctua model with a 120mm fan. The fan control in my BIOS doesn't work on these fans (they are 3-pin [voltage controlled], while fan speed software mostly works with 4-pin [PWM-controlled] fans), so the CPU fan runs at a fixed speed ~1000 RPM.

The net effect is a system that can run at full load with CPU temps below 60 C and make so little noise that it can be hard to tell whether it's running. It's not totally silent, but quiet enough that there are no issues running WCG 24/7 in the living room. (It took me a while to get there, with quite a bit of trial and error on the way. But I live in a small apartment, so the noise reduction was totally worth it.)

This kind of changes can give a very quiet system, and it's all hardware, so it doesn't matter which OS you are using. For the "quiet computing" enthusiast, I can recommend the silent PC build guides.
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Re: Okay, I confez, I'm not a Linux Adapt.

SekeRob --

Since you mention remotely monitoring, I take it that shutting down gdm doesn't disconnect the wireless?

Edit: Yup, I'm at home now and could answer my own question. On my Ubuntu 10.04 the drill is:

[get a terminal window]
sudo service gdm stop
[press Ctrl Alt F1 and log in at prompt]

Once I've logged in, the wireless reconnects and I can access remotely.
When I want to get the Gnome desktop back up:

sudo service gdm start

kate,

this order, when I did that, essentially causes here a session to crash but not to end the sign-in state, not fully unloading everything. In fact, found that other recovery efforts started using CPU time dropping BOINC efficiency, so my experience is to log out from the/all GUI sessions, then do the ctrl-alt-F1/F6 to get the terminal session. Sign in and run either

sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop

or

sudo service gdm stop

When restarting gdm the GUI session appeared almost instantaneous, and after signing in, pretty much everything loaded in a fraction of the time, confirming to me that lots kept lingering in memory limbo.

Daily reported runtime average is about 1.5 hours up from before for this quad, so it's to be worth doing this, particularly for those with heavily glossed up interfaces.

cheers
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Re: Okay, I confez, I'm not a Linux Adapt.

Not much to say on Linux, other than being very happy with the stability and performance of kernel 2.6.35.27.xx, now at .34. What else does one want but running an hands-off system at 99.9% efficiency.

The one thing toyed with these last few days is working on grub/grub2 files to get the counter going again and the order of the kernel versions in the grub menu. Still to resolve this "hanging" restart issue. Many readings and all pointing at something v.v. power management and WiFi not shutting down, but even with manually killing all network portions, it wont go and having screen sitting there for eternity. Hitting Esc to see the messages, all that's there is a signal 15 comment and something on... power management. We'll uncover, but no rush since having to boot is a next to none existent topic on this platform. Most updates are seamless requiring just a restart of one or the other service... for instance sudo nautilus -q

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