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Re: To all the greenies in the U.S.

Maybe you should do some research before you post a rebuttal. It is clearly against the law to deny medical service.
The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (42 U.S.C. § 1395dd, EMTALA) is a United States Act of Congress passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act. It requires hospitals and ambulance services to provide care to anyone needing emergency healthcare treatment regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay. There are no reimbursement provisions. As a result of the act, patients needing emergency treatment can be discharged only under their own informed consent or when their condition requires transfer to a hospital better equipped to administer the treatment.
Lets not get into a spitting contest, but your so called rebuttal clearly states EMERGENCY medical care while I have only been writing about PRIMARY health care. Do your homework.
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Maybe you should do some research before you post a rebuttal. It is clearly against the law to deny medical service.
The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (42 U.S.C. § 1395dd, EMTALA) is a United States Act of Congress passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act. It requires hospitals and ambulance services to provide care to anyone needing emergency healthcare treatment regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay. There are no reimbursement provisions. As a result of the act, patients needing emergency treatment can be discharged only under their own informed consent or when their condition requires transfer to a hospital better equipped to administer the treatment.
Lets not get into a spitting contest, but your so called rebuttal clearly states EMERGENCY medical care while I have only been writing about PRIMARY health care. Do your homework.
There was a story here in the newspaper about one person who visited the EMERGENCY room over 200 times in 3 years for PRIMARY health care. That's a big part of the problem.
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There was a story here in the newspaper about one person who visited the EMERGENCY room over 200 times in 3 years for PRIMARY health care. That's a big part of the problem.
But not a reason to deny people access to Primary health care.
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Re: To all the greenies in the U.S.

Is Obama Really Preparing For Civil War?
Second amendment Committee.
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There was a story here in the newspaper about one person who visited the EMERGENCY room over 200 times in 3 years for PRIMARY health care. That's a big part of the problem.
But not a reason to deny people access to Primary health care.
Why not? Set up some free med clinics to save money. They'll still get their primary care.
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There was a story here in the newspaper about one person who visited the EMERGENCY room over 200 times in 3 years for PRIMARY health care. That's a big part of the problem.


But not a reason to deny people access to Primary health care.


Agreed, but the person who was the subject of the story was advised to find help elsewhere and to stop abusing the system. They would go in everytime they had a cold, sore whatever, etc, etc, etc. Yes they also went in when they really did have problems, but alot of the ER visits were for routine things. They were using the ER as their Health Care because they thought had nothing else to use. The Welfare 'System' was explained to them and they are now using it. My wife works for the Welfare folks and the story came around her office making sure all the current and future 'customers' were aware of the options available.
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There was a story here in the newspaper about one person who visited the EMERGENCY room over 200 times in 3 years for PRIMARY health care. That's a big part of the problem.


But not a reason to deny people access to Primary health care.


Agreed, but the person who was the subject of the story was advised to find help elsewhere and to stop abusing the system. They would go in everytime they had a cold, sore whatever, etc, etc, etc. Yes they also went in when they really did have problems, but alot of the ER visits were for routine things. They were using the ER as their Health Care because they thought had nothing else to use. The Welfare 'System' was explained to them and they are now using it. My wife works for the Welfare folks and the story came around her office making sure all the current and future 'customers' were aware of the options available.
In Texas, our illegal immigrants do not have welfare, so they go to the emergency room.

Southern California sees a similar situation:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1303412/

Survey of illegal immigrants seen in an emergency department.

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There is growing controversy regarding illegal immigrants and their use of social services, including health care, in this country. We surveyed undocumented persons presenting at our emergency department to investigate the reasons why they sought care in the United States. Overall, 227 visits (8.6%) were made in the emergency department by illegal immigrants, mostly Hispanics. Of 104 patients surveyed, all sought care in this country because they were here at the time, and 86 (83%) intended to remain permanently. Of the 104 persons, 83 (80%) cited lack of funding as a reason for seeking emergency department care. Undocumented Hispanics had a higher uninsured rate (64%) than both Hispanics (32%) and non-Hispanics (30%). Of the 104 patients, 38 (36%) had difficulty obtaining care elsewhere because of their status, 53 (51%) knew of no other sources of care, and 46 (44%) said that even if available, only the emergency department was acceptable. Many undocumented persons seek care in the United States because they reside here permanently, often using this emergency department as their source of care. These findings may be important in light of recent efforts to restrict services for this group.

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Ok, Ok, Ok. So people go to a hospital when they are sick, but I fail to see the conclusion any of this is pointing to. Are you saying that 1) The US should deny the poor to hospital access, or 2) hospitals should not provide primary health care services or 3) There should be primary health care provided that reduces the load on hospitals who need to provide Emergency care or 4) Hospital administrators are providing services that they do not have to or 5) Hospitals should not be legislated to provide certain services or 6) The poor should not have acces to health care or 7) When it comes to health care, no money no service.

What are you trying to say? We can sit here and tell stories until we fall asleep but the story needs a point to it.
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Ok, Ok, Ok. So people go to a hospital when they are sick, but I fail to see the conclusion any of this is pointing to. Are you saying that 1) The US should deny the poor to hospital access, or 2) hospitals should not provide primary health care services or 3) There should be primary health care provided that reduces the load on hospitals who need to provide Emergency care or 4) Hospital administrators are providing services that they do not have to or 5) Hospitals should not be legislated to provide certain services or 6) The poor should not have acces to health care or 7) When it comes to health care, no money no service.

What are you trying to say? We can sit here and tell stories until we fall asleep but the story needs a point to it.
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Ok, Ok, Ok. So people go to a hospital when they are sick, but I fail to see the conclusion any of this is pointing to. Are you saying that 1) The US should deny the poor to hospital access, or 2) hospitals should not provide primary health care services or 3) There should be primary health care provided that reduces the load on hospitals who need to provide Emergency care or 4) Hospital administrators are providing services that they do not have to or 5) Hospitals should not be legislated to provide certain services or 6) The poor should not have acces to health care or 7) When it comes to health care, no money no service.

What are you trying to say? We can sit here and tell stories until we fall asleep but the story needs a point to it.


# 3 & 4 for me! Emergency Rooms should provide Emergency life saving care, not everyday care.

Illegal Aliens should not have access to the ER more than once, after that they get deported. Harsh but they are here illegally and do not provide anything TOWARDS the system, they are just a drain on it. Yes there are many, MANY things we need to do BEFORE we can start deporting people. And remember there was a famous speech by the former President of Mexico, Mr. Fox, when he said that the US is NOT deporting all the illegals BACK into Mexico!! As far as he was concerned he did not want them either!!
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