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retsof
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Perhaps we see it a bit like automobile insurance. All drivers are required to have it, yet 25% in my local area probably do not. The driver who totaled our car in a hit and run six months ago had neither insurance nor driver license and the vehicle license did not match either. It might not have even been his car but stolen.
----------------------------------------"Troopers tell us that some areas of the state may have more than half of their drivers uninsured, and that's scary news for everyone else on our roadways," Hanna said. http://autos.aol.com/article/texas-uninsured We have to pay extra for uninsured drivers, even though every driver is required to have automobile insurance by law. Costs of adding more people to medical insurance really hasn't been explained. Economy of scale should make insurance cheaper for everyone, but that does not seem to be happening.
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mikey
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Do YOU really think that allowing the upper and middle classes deny health care to the poor is morally valid? I don't need to read the biased ramblings of peope who have health care writing that only 'they' have the RIGHT to health care. Why allow the 'health care' rich to get first class care while the poor have their children die in their arms because they cannot afford even the most basic of care. It is really easy to stand on a soap box and shout out how others should be denied the rights and privledges that you already have. Just because someone says something does not make it true or right, AND you don't even tell us your own opinion. All I see is links and copies of what other people say but never an insight into your own opinion. I am not sure anyone is denying that fact that alot of people do not have Health Insurance currently or that people really do need to have it. I think the problem is that what Congress SAYS they are doing is not in fact what they ARE doing and what they ARE doing is going to cost everyone, except the illegals who don't pay anyway, more! EVERYONE has the right to go to an Emergency Room and get life saving medical care at no cost if they can't afford it and many do exactly that right now every day. Now that is VERY expensive Health Care! I too believe that everyone should be able to get into a Health Care plan and if one is not available in your area you should be able to get into a group plan, similar to Auto Insurance. Now to make it mandatory, I am not sure I agree with that, but at the same time don't want people who do opt out to show up at the Emergency Room requiring millions of dollars of care that I then have to pay for! What do we do about the millions of illegal aliens in the US? Letting them die on the street is just not an option in the US. I think we should treat them and ship them home! First time is free, no second time! Now that would also involve tightening our border security to keep people out that don't have a legal reason to be here. That is probably not going to happen for those looking for new sources of votes to get re-elected! The current Health Care Bill in Congress says that you and I will pay for Louisiana's, Oklahoma's and who knows who elses peoples Health Care because their Senators votes were bought and paid for! Mary Landrieu of Louisiana stood on the floor of the Senate and said her State was paid 300 million dollars so she would vote yes on the bill! Sen Ben Nelson of Oklahoma did the same thing, so did Chris Dodd of Connecticut, although he is now back pedaling and says 'well it doesn't have to go to CT'! This is not what most people had in mind when they wanted better Health Care for those that don't have it! Rationing of Health Care is not what most people envisioned when they first heard of this Bill! But yet all this, and much more, is all coming to fruition for this Health Care Bill to pass! ![]() ![]() |
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Do YOU really think that allowing the upper and middle classes deny health care to the poor is morally valid? I don't need to read the biased ramblings of peope who have health care writing that only 'they' have the RIGHT to health care. Why allow the 'health care' rich to get first class care while the poor have their children die in their arms because they cannot afford even the most basic of care. It is really easy to stand on a soap box and shout out how others should be denied the rights and privledges that you already have. Just because someone says something does not make it true or right, AND you don't even tell us your own opinion. All I see is links and copies of what other people say but never an insight into your own opinion. I cant give you my opinion of you---but NO person is denied healthcare in the US--it is against the LAW--all you have to do is go to the hospital---have you heard of Cancer Centers of America ?They give FREE cancer treatment to anyone that cannot afford it |
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I think anyone with two or three cars two or three tvs, money for lottery tickets, alcohol, gold adornments, cell phones, mud flaps with reflectors, fuzzy steering wheels, cars that shine brighter than the sun and more of the kind should be able to purchase some insurance
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mikey
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I think anyone with two or three cars two or three tvs, money for lottery tickets, alcohol, gold adornments, cell phones, mud flaps with reflectors, fuzzy steering wheels, cars that shine brighter than the sun and more of the kind should be able to purchase some insurance That is the hope and basis for the new Health Care Bill, but it obviously has been corrupted by Politicians! Maybe the next batch can fix it! If not we can always replace them too! ![]() ![]() |
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NO person is denied healthcare in the US--it is against the LAW--all you have to do is go to the hospital---have you heard of Cancer Centers of America ?They give FREE cancer treatment to anyone that cannot afford it Nice try, but you know that there are hospitals that will not set your broken arm if you have no insurance and you cannot pay for the services needed. While there may be a few hospitals that will, there are hundreds that will not. You also know that there are doctors that you cannot see until after you pay the nice lady at the front counter, and she does not care if you are homeless or if you are a movie star. (Jerry Maguire) In addition, you cannot successfully extrapolate the actions and policies of CCA, which is not providing primary health care, as an example of primary medical care. Creative but invalid. [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Jan 6, 2010 5:45:01 PM] |
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I think anyone with two or three cars two or three tvs, money for lottery tickets, alcohol, gold adornments, cell phones, mud flaps with reflectors, fuzzy steering wheels, cars that shine brighter than the sun and more of the kind should be able to purchase some insurance You can and in California (for example), private insurance can be as little as $1400 per month for a family of 4, which costs (using a tax rate of 25%) a gross income of $22,400 per year. This is of course in addition to your costs for rent, utilities, food, clothes and transportation, unless you do not need any of that stuff. But if you can afford all of that and afford the health care premiums, then you might be able to buy ONE TV and ONE used car and an inexpensive wedding ring for your spouse.AND if you are working, as many, many people do, at a low paying job at say $10 per hour, you will ne4ed 3 part time jobs of 15 hours per week EACH just to pay the premiums on your health care, unless you want to eat, or clothe yourself or get out of the rain (or sun), or get to work. [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Jan 6, 2010 5:44:44 PM] |
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nanoprobe
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NO person is denied healthcare in the US--it is against the LAW--all you have to do is go to the hospital---have you heard of Cancer Centers of America ?They give FREE cancer treatment to anyone that cannot afford it Nice try, but you know that there are hospitals that will not set your broken arm if you have no insurance and you cannot pay for the services needed. While there may be a few hospitals that will, there are hundreds that will not. You also know that there are doctors that you cannot see until after you pay the nice lady at the front counter, and she does not care if you are homeless or if you are a movie star. (Jerry Maguire) In addition, you cannot successfully extrapolate the actions and policies of CCA, which is not providing primary health care, as an example of primary medical care. Creative but invalid. Maybe you should do some research before you post a rebuttal. It is clearly against the law to deny medical service. The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (42 U.S.C. ยง 1395dd, EMTALA) is a United States Act of Congress passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act. It requires hospitals and ambulance services to provide care to anyone needing emergency healthcare treatment regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay. There are no reimbursement provisions. As a result of the act, patients needing emergency treatment can be discharged only under their own informed consent or when their condition requires transfer to a hospital better equipped to administer the treatment.
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