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David Autumns
Ace Cruncher UK Joined: Nov 16, 2004 Post Count: 11062 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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We got it Sek we have this covered
----------------------------------------We await it's very speedy return see the SST's up there http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/satellite/index.uk.php oh and that ice not seen by GCOM-W1  - note with the loss of Aqua's AMSR you don't have a contiguous record with overlapping calibration period and as such you are no longer comparing apples with apples. So you can get the data to tell whatever story you would like to promote. Like "Hurricane" Isaac you are over-claiming the reality to scare the general pop. Highest sustained windspeed seen at Boothville (right in the line of fire) 21.6 (metres per second) = 48.3 mph far short of the 74mph required for a true Hurricane (Cat1) see http://www.srh.noaa.gov/data/obhistory/KBVE.html We have just 33 years of Arctic sea ice measurements by Satellite - do we know yet what is normal? Here's the plot of that record http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGE...ly.ice.area.withtrend.jpg Remember back in March when the anomaly was positive - it will be again. Like the small print on a financial product which says "Please remember the value of your investment can go down as well as up" this is the case with the Sea Ice in the real World Only in the minds of those with another agenda is it in inexorable decline. and that's the Truth with a capital T. Dave  |
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Warning: This could cause mental discomfort.. please do not click on links if not up to it.
The comparative images provided here http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/prin...=08&sd=28&sy=2012 show the recovery of sea ice according those who live on planet Willed Bliss. The consequence of this in recent study is that the sun has been warming the open water and deeper, that the current leaving the Arctic between Svalbard and Greenland is already measured to be 1.5 degrees Celsius warmer than several decades ago. How the situation looks in a statistical format is this: http://bit.ly/CTNHMn highlighting that fantastic so firmly and sure promised recovery. NB this is net ice surface, not what one sees on maps of e.g. IMS or MASIE. They produce charts for mariners who want to know if there is save passage anywhere and not something floating washed over by waves whilst going at 15-20 knots. Then you get this... those who listen to the wrong captains, who suffers from advanced forms of LBO: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-txBUSBSwyIo/UD7KwuP...1600/Climate+of+Sepia.jpg Carry On P.S. No green lines in these ones, and heed thé for captain DAubtumns He's got an enormous broom and endless carpet. |
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David Autumns
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Remember this
----------------------------------------Drought may last until Christmas http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-17690389 It has become this Summer 2012 expected to be wettest in 100 years http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/news/releases/archive/2012/second-wettest-summer enough said Dave |
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GeraldRube
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Warning: This could cause mental discomfort.. please do not click on links if not up to it. The comparative images provided here http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/prin...=08&sd=28&sy=2012 show the recovery of sea ice according those who live on planet Willed Bliss. The consequence of this in recent study is that the sun has been warming the open water and deeper, that the current leaving the Arctic between Svalbard and Greenland is already measured to be 1.5 degrees Celsius warmer than several decades ago. How the situation looks in a statistical format is this: http://bit.ly/CTNHMn highlighting that fantastic so firmly and sure promised recovery. NB this is net ice surface, not what one sees on maps of e.g. IMS or MASIE. They produce charts for mariners who want to know if there is save passage anywhere and not something floating washed over by waves whilst going at 15-20 knots. Then you get this... those who listen to the wrong captains, who suffers from advanced forms of LBO: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-txBUSBSwyIo/UD7KwuP...1600/Climate+of+Sepia.jpg Carry On P.S. No green lines in these ones, and heed thé for captain DAubtumns He's got an enormous broom and endless carpet. Dave does have a high powered Dison and i suspect it will suck the carpet up Do you have any info on the South Pole or Antarctica--i think i heard it was growing in mass--not Massachusetts Do you have spell check??   |
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GeraldRube
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Arctic Ice Still 12% Above The 2007 Minimum http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/08/31...2-above-the-2007-minimum/
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David Autumns
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The August 2012 result is in and the average temperature from 2564 NOAA Weather Stations around the Globe was 22.11C
----------------------------------------Jan 2011 1.37C Feb 2011 2.85C Mar 2011 6.93C Apr 2011 12.25C May 2011 16.16C Jun 2011 20.45C Jul 2011 22.83C Aug 2011 22.19C Sep 2011 18.72C Oct 2011 13.50C Nov 2011 8.32C Dec 2011 4.78C Jan 2012 3.26C Feb 2012 3.84C Mar 2012 9.71C Apr 2012 12.45C May 2012 17.32C Jun 2012 20.59C Jul 2012 23.13C Aug 2912 22.11C J-D 2011 12.584C F-J 2012 12.745C M-F 2012 12.795C A-M 2012 13.031C M-A 2012 13.048C J-M 2012 13.145C J-J 2012 13.156C A-J 2012 13.180C S-A 2012 13.174C Here it is as a forum friendly sized graph that updates hourly  The graph above is (at this moment in time) the result of 37,316,923 individual temperature measurements taken around the Globe since the beginning of 2011  |
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David Autumns
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Our "Constant" Sun revealed as anything but
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GeraldRube
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Our "Constant" Sun revealed as anything but http://sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov/data/aiahmi/latest.php?t=aia_0304&r=512 that deserves a That is amazing --its a good thing that CME was not facing Earth-- |
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Warning, the following is not for those living in willed bliss of "Aint True" and have an inherent problem with the concept that humanity is changing the planet's sustainability for 7 billion and counting. Foremost this is not for those who have a grave hand-flap injury of "it's just a model"... PIOMAS has been STRONGLY corroborated by IceSAT and CryoSat-2
So what is the agreement between the two systems? I've calculated the PIOMAS average for the whole of October and November of 2004 and 2011, although the ICESat data window is smaller than this, the Cryosat period is unknown, so it seemed like the most conservative way to compare. ----------- ON 04 ON 11 PIOMAS 12.280 6.851 Cryosat 2 13.000 7.000 The results are close, it surprised me how close. This can only be taken as indicative, despite the close agreement just two data points are not enough to be satisfyingly sure. Furthermore Dr Laxon has cautioned about the figures for Cryosat 2 being preliminary. However what if we take this evidence as one part of a larger picture. PIOMAS is well validated against the Submarine thickness data in the Data Release Area, also against ICESat, on which the ON04 figures released by the Crosat 2 team are based. The question remains - Is the recent volume loss an artefact of the PIOMAS model, or is it real? The denialists try to keep people's attention on single facts, and away from the overall picture, the last thing they want is to have to acknowledge the volume loss and its implications. The overall picture is that not only does PIOMAS show massive and accelerating volume loss, but so does the US Navy's (pdf). What matters here is that the free running climate models are underestimating change in terms of extent/area, while the assimilating models, PIOMAS and the NPS model, are showing substantial volume loss. PIOMAS is validated against past data and agrees well (Schweiger et al 2011), now we have PIOMAS agreeing well with a peek view of the Cryosat data. ICEsat showed that the volume loss is due to multi-year ice loss (Kwok et al 2008), so does PIOMAS. Furthermore we have three new records for sea ice area in five years, is it significant that two of those records have been in the last two years? Is it a coincidence that these latest records have been in years without weather particularly conducive to ice melt, after PIOMAS has shown, in 2010, the near annihilation of multi-year ice? To claim that all this evidence (and more I'll discuss later) is pointing in the same direction by accident is, to put it bluntly, a load of [expletive]. Kwok et al, 2008, Thinning and volume loss of the Arctic Ocean sea ice cover: 2003–2008. http://rkwok.jpl.nasa.gov/publications/Kwok.2009.JGR.pdf This is PIOMAS through August 25, with a second update shortly after labor day: http://bit.ly/PIOM05 http://bit.ly/PIOM02 Visit my website for many more climate related charts. Anyone not grasping [but for the hand flap injured living in denial? "CO2 warms the planet, but not as much" said the Exxon CEO. Someone here repeated that! Gullible? Most affirmatively, yes! Carry On [edited out expletive] |
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