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David Autumns
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http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/news/releases/archive/2012/second-wettest-summer
----------------------------------------try selling us the MMGW story off the back of that one Yours paying the highest electricity and fuel costs in Europe (I wonder why?) Dave n.b. rain not seen like this since 1912  [Edit 1 times, last edit by David Autumns at Sep 2, 2012 4:54:34 PM] |
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David Autumns
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The global solar year average temp from those 2564 NOAA weather stations has been in the 13.1X C range since 10th June at 8pm
----------------------------------------within the bounds of 0.0778 degrees C now for closing in on 3 months  ..that diurnal wiggle? it's down to a solar year being 365 days and ~6 hours (on a granularity of 1 hour) - so not a complete day Incredible chaos unbelievable stability Dave [Edit 2 times, last edit by David Autumns at Sep 2, 2012 6:28:53 PM] |
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nanoprobe
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Warning, the following is not for those living in willed bliss of "Aint True" and have an inherent problem with the concept that humanity is changing the planet's sustainability for 7 billion and counting. Foremost this is not for those who have a grave hand-flap injury of "it's just a model"... PIOMAS has been STRONGLY corroborated by IceSAT and CryoSat-2 So what is the agreement between the two systems? I've calculated the PIOMAS average for the whole of October and November of 2004 and 2011, although the ICESat data window is smaller than this, the Cryosat period is unknown, so it seemed like the most conservative way to compare. ----------- ON 04 ON 11 PIOMAS 12.280 6.851 Cryosat 2 13.000 7.000 The results are close, it surprised me how close. This can only be taken as indicative, despite the close agreement just two data points are not enough to be satisfyingly sure. Furthermore Dr Laxon has cautioned about the figures for Cryosat 2 being preliminary. However what if we take this evidence as one part of a larger picture. PIOMAS is well validated against the Submarine thickness data in the Data Release Area, also against ICESat, on which the ON04 figures released by the Crosat 2 team are based. The question remains - Is the recent volume loss an artefact of the PIOMAS model, or is it real? The denialists try to keep people's attention on single facts, and away from the overall picture, the last thing they want is to have to acknowledge the volume loss and its implications. The overall picture is that not only does PIOMAS show massive and accelerating volume loss, but so does the US Navy's (pdf). What matters here is that the free running climate models are underestimating change in terms of extent/area, while the assimilating models, PIOMAS and the NPS model, are showing substantial volume loss. PIOMAS is validated against past data and agrees well (Schweiger et al 2011), now we have PIOMAS agreeing well with a peek view of the Cryosat data. ICEsat showed that the volume loss is due to multi-year ice loss (Kwok et al 2008), so does PIOMAS. Furthermore we have three new records for sea ice area in five years, is it significant that two of those records have been in the last two years? Is it a coincidence that these latest records have been in years without weather particularly conducive to ice melt, after PIOMAS has shown, in 2010, the near annihilation of multi-year ice? To claim that all this evidence (and more I'll discuss later) is pointing in the same direction by accident is, to put it bluntly, a load of [expletive]. Kwok et al, 2008, Thinning and volume loss of the Arctic Ocean sea ice cover: 2003–2008. http://rkwok.jpl.nasa.gov/publications/Kwok.2009.JGR.pdf This is PIOMAS through August 25, with a second update shortly after labor day: http://bit.ly/PIOM05 http://bit.ly/PIOM02 Visit my website for many more climate related charts. Anyone not grasping [but for the hand flap injured living in denial? "CO2 warms the planet, but not as much" said the Exxon CEO. Someone here repeated that! Gullible? Most affirmatively, yes! Carry On [edited out expletive] Until you can prove that the 3% of CO2 produced by man going into the atmosphere causes MMGW when the 97% of naturally occurring CO2 going into the atmosphere does not you're just blowing smoke.
In 1969 I took an oath to defend and protect the U S Constitution against all enemies, both foreign and Domestic. There was no expiration date.
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Smoke pipe and *read* up on the isotope signature of FF origin-ed CO2! *ALL* additional CO2 comes from fossil fuel burning. Covered zillion times to include *here*! The planet exhales hundreds of Gigatonnes annual... inhales that too, and in the cause about half now of what those 2 hind-legged blow up in the air... 30 Gigatonnes annual by last measure [2010]. The planet used to absorb more of the FF burning generated CO2, but the ocean surface is saturating and acidifying [thanks to HSS, case that escaped you too [also covered before]. Soon the point will be reached that the planet net starts to exhale... and if that is CH4 on top from clathrates and thawed peat lands [formerly permafrosted north of Canada/Alaska/Siberia), and 100 times more powerful to CO2, then we'll be setting up a PETM [Look that up too, but to help you along: http://www.skepticalscience.com/co2-rising-te...than-petm-extinction.html
Your grandchildren will curse you and the present generation, and rightfully so, because *we knew* what was coming. Carry On. |
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David Autumns
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and none of the increase is down to the disassociation of CO2 in the Oceans on account of the warming caused by the more active Sun ? Note CO2 doesn't just dissolve in water a small proportion of it bonds with H20 to form H2CO3 (Carbonic Acid)
----------------------------------------This is why the temperature increase always leads the CO2 content of the atmosphere That's science Sek can you honestly claim that the warming seen in the 20th Century (There's been none in the 21st) was caused by increases in the gas that makes up, currently, 0.039429% of our atmosphere? Are you honestly claiming that a Planet that has had life in it's myriad forms for the last Billion years will be terminated because of that tiny percentage of an essential trace gas. A gas that is the source of every carbon atom in your body. The source of all organic chemistry. The root of all those proteins we have been folding? The beginnings of the food chain. Our Grandchildren will curse us because 1 part in every 2536 parts of our atmosphere is CO2 Yeah right Hogwash utter hogwash CO2 caused MMGW has nothing to do with Science (it's a wild unprovable extrapolation at best) CO2 caused MMGW is entirely about control which is why it is promoted by the UN in the guise of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in the absence of any other Global threat they need a Climate Catastrophe to keep up "the fear" Otherwise we might just reach our real potential Dave |
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David Autumns
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Let's see how long the Sea Ice remains away
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David Autumns
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Here's a whole years worth
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David Autumns
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Sek this might be worth a read - it might even be worth the $39.95
----------------------------------------http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921818112001658 btw put that pipe out it's not good for you + plus that stuff burning in the bowl is releasing your dreaded CO2 It'll be your pipe that'll doom us all Dave |
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David Autumns
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http://www.publics.bg/en/news/8761/Japan_to_Quit_Nuclear_Energy.html
----------------------------------------We can only hope ..and that the rest of the World will, like Germany, follow. Dave |
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nanoprobe
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Your grandchildren will curse you and the present generation, and rightfully so, because *we knew* what was coming. The only people my grandchildren will be cursing is people like Gore, Hanson and you for fear mongering and perpetrating this MMGW hoax.
In 1969 I took an oath to defend and protect the U S Constitution against all enemies, both foreign and Domestic. There was no expiration date.
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