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Re: anyone else seeing these kinds of errors? I'm getting tons of them.

The combination with other sciences before/during/after. I only see them borking when HFCC was also running before the HPF2 jobs start. Once they run, the HFCC jobs have no effect... something critical in the setup phase taking the wrong turn at the diramazione

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Re: anyone else seeing these kinds of errors? I'm getting tons of them.

Hi Guys
I was getting a constant stream of errors on HPF2 on five identical i7 920s running W7 64 - the only PC that produced reliable results was a Core2 running XP 32. I reset the prefs to send all HPF2 to the Core2 and that has run consistently without a single WU error for over a week. The i7's are great for running everything else (except DDDT, don't go there!), but I'm not sure that HPF and W7 64 work well in combination.
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Re: anyone else seeing these kinds of errors? I'm getting tons of them.

Please see the following forum post for an update https://secure.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread_thread,28870#275715

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Re: anyone else seeing these kinds of errors? I'm getting tons of them.

Things falling in place... was able to fetch 3 so far on the W7-64 quad with x64 client and had already the HFCC jobs running, so a good test to see if things stand up. Will report in beta forum on outcome... Who's starting a HPF2 Beta version 6.17 thread?

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PS they self started in HP and got past the first hurdle, checkpointed, parking a few HCC jobs not being in any rush, due in 9.5 days from now.

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Re: anyone else seeing these kinds of errors? I'm getting tons of them.

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Engaging BOINC Windows Runtime Debugger...

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Debugger Engine : 4.0.5.0
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ModLoad: 76a00000 0009d000 C:\Windows\syswow64\USP10.dll (1.626.7600.16385) (-exported- Symbols Loaded)
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- Information -
Status: Base Priority: Normal, Priority: Normal, , Kernel Time: 0.000000, User Time: 0.000000, Wait Time: 0.000000

- Unhandled Exception Record -
Reason: Access Violation (0xc0000005) at address 0x00BFC28E write attempt to address 0x00000263

- Registers -
eax=05e73121 ebx=00000266 ecx=00000000 edx=00000263 esi=08b3013c edi=000000bb
eip=00bfc28e esp=0028b34c ebp=0028ba38
cs=0023 ss=002b ds=002b es=002b fs=0053 gs=002b efl=00010213

- Callstack -
ChildEBP RetAddr Args to Child
0028ba38 00bfb3da 08182ca8 0028bb28 00018350 086416ba wcg_hpf2_rosetta_6!+0x0
0028bc48 00c3fa06 08182ca8 0028c4ac 0028c438 00000000 wcg_hpf2_rosetta_6!+0x0
0028cc30 00c39cbc 0028e548 0826000c 0867b800 00000014 wcg_hpf2_rosetta_6!+0x0
0028d2f8 00a7279f 0028e548 0028ee5c 0028e41c 0028e328 wcg_hpf2_rosetta_6!+0x0
0028ec18 00788b2f 00fa1444 00000075 04477e48 00000075 wcg_hpf2_rosetta_6!+0x0
0028f2c0 00789a1d 00000001 00bbd6f6 0028f280 0028f1fc wcg_hpf2_rosetta_6!+0x0
0028f36c 00be23c0 00c68788 00000000 00000001 00000001 wcg_hpf2_rosetta_6!+0x0
0028f9b8 00bdd495 00000000 40000000 00f72f58 00000002 wcg_hpf2_rosetta_6!+0x0
0028fa64 00424fcf 0028fe38 0041bc1b 02f96590 0142c460 wcg_hpf2_rosetta_6!+0x0
0028fb00 0085b90b 00000000 00860e5d 0028fac0 0028fb2c wcg_hpf2_rosetta_6!+0x0
0028fbb8 009810d6 0125c904 00000000 65726261 0078616c wcg_hpf2_rosetta_6!+0x0
0028fdf8 00980c40 00000000 0028fe30 007f3b5b 00000000 wcg_hpf2_rosetta_6!+0x0
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0028ff88 766b3677 7efde000 0028ffd4 77949d72 7efde000 wcg_hpf2_rosetta_6!+0x0
0028ff94 77949d72 7efde000 5778fa45 00000000 00000000 kernel32!BaseThreadInitThunk+0x0
0028ffd4 77949d45 00dbfc7d 7efde000 00000000 00000000 ntdll!RtlInitializeExceptionChain+0x0
0028ffec 00000000 00dbfc7d 7efde000 00000000 78746341 ntdll!RtlInitializeExceptionChain+0x0

*** Dump of thread ID 8684 (state: Initialized): ***

- Information -
Status: Base Priority: Normal, Priority: Normal, , Kernel Time: 0.000000, User Time: 0.000000, Wait Time: 0.000000

- Registers -
eax=00000000 ebx=00000000 ecx=00000000 edx=00000000 esi=03c6ff48 edi=00000000
eip=7792fd31 esp=03c6ff04 ebp=03c6ff6c
cs=0023 ss=002b ds=002b es=002b fs=0053 gs=002b efl=00000202

- Callstack -
ChildEBP RetAddr Args to Child
03c6ff6c 763b3520 00000064 00000000 03c6ff94 00da9f2b ntdll!ZwDelayExecution+0x0
03c6ff7c 00da9f2b 00000064 00000000 766b3677 00000000 KERNELBASE!Sleep+0x0
03c6ff94 77949d72 00000000 5496fa45 00000000 00000000 wcg_hpf2_rosetta_6!+0x0
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*** Debug Message Dump ****

*** Foreground Window Data ***
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Exiting...

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Re: anyone else seeing these kinds of errors? I'm getting tons of them.

Not really ;D... a boot helps often to not have them re-appear, until a boot is overdue again :D

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Re: anyone else seeing these kinds of errors? I'm getting tons of them.

There is an improvement with the new it 980X hexacore from intel.
It is an Extreme Series CPU like the 975X quadcore. I overclockedthe 975X at 3.7 Ghz.
On the 975X quadcore I have less than 1% errors which is negligible.
With the I7 920 or 950 oc at 3.5Ghz I had about 45% of errors. And errors in general as you know get 0 credit but a small number of them get the full credit claimed.
Why this difference between the processor types? nobody knows: misterium fidei.

I have now tested the 980X running at 4Ghz on HPFP2 hoping that as an Extreme Series CPU it may perform well.

Results after a period of test are 10% errors. Errors being counted only for WU's with 0 credit. That is s significant improvement. And all errors are very short on time.
In parallel the 975X continued crunching with 0.5% errors.

At 10% or less errors it's ok to crunch. I'm back for the 5 year badge.

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Re: anyone else seeing these kinds of errors? I'm getting tons of them.

I've noticed that I strted to get errors(same as you guys above) on HPF2 when I decreased the allowed total number of cores in BOINC (6.10.18) from 100% (4 cores) to 50% (2 cores). Before that I had no such errors, but they began as soon as I altered this parameter.

The reason to why I had to lower the number of crunching cores is because I am hosting a website and when all cores were crunching then the website would get Really slow loading. But as soon as I lowered the number of crunching cores, the website got fast loading times. I thought that BOINC should not steal CPU time from other processess... had a similar problem also when running BOINC with all cores: the flash plugin in no matter what browser would get no cpu time at all almost rendering very slow flash performance.

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Re: anyone else seeing these kinds of errors? I'm getting tons of them.

BOINC does not steal, but is just too good at using the spare cycles... kind of a latency.

You might want to consider trying 6.10.49 alpha. It's got a function to go into pause when the non-BOINC load is exceeding X percent, default 25%, then set it to run based on preferences. The option is not yet on the Device Profile. Guess it will when WCG officially endorses 6.10 [hope is June]

Does your website use more than 1 core? 75% might also do the trick, then set an affinity. This can be automated with a tool such as Process Lasso, to let the sciences only use cores 1-3 and the website on core 0. It can even smart throttle, same as a tool called Threadmaster GUI [works on servers too from W2K, XP, W2K3, W2K8, W7, Vista]... very smooth, setting the sciences to only use e.g. 75% per core e.g.

PS: Very strange to hear of HPF2 jobs failing just because of a core switch. Give it a few more weeks when the scientists approve the roll out of the Beta tested version 6.17

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Re: anyone else seeing these kinds of errors? I'm getting tons of them.

Hi Sekerob!
You are fast on replying as always! :)

Ok, yes maybe I will try to use some of those tools. I will be hosting the site for about 4 weeks more (a school project) and then I will have more time to look into it and enable more cores. Yes setting to 75% also woorks good but I have turned down the speed of my fans to lower the noise so that I can sleep while hosting the site and therefore I want to keep cpu temps at a healthy level so I found that with 2 cores I can run the system cool and quite silent.

Yes, when version 6.17 rolls out I will enable the HPF2 project again and see if I still get errors.

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