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Re: is this normal?

For cross-ref. here's one of my Quad's:

8/17/2009 3:13:36 PM Starting BOINC client version 6.6.36 for windows_intelx86
8/17/2009 3:13:36 PM log flags: task, file_xfer, sched_ops
8/17/2009 3:13:36 PM Libraries: libcurl/7.19.4 OpenSSL/0.9.8j zlib/1.2.3
8/17/2009 3:13:36 PM Data directory: C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\BOINC
8/17/2009 3:13:36 PM Running under account Boss
8/17/2009 3:13:36 PM Processor: 4 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q9650 @ 3.00GHz [x86 Family 6 Model 23 Stepping 10]
8/17/2009 3:13:36 PM Processor features: fpu tsc pae nx sse sse2 mmx
8/17/2009 3:13:36 PM OS: Microsoft Windows XP: Professional x86 Edition, Service Pack 3, (05.01.2600.00)
8/17/2009 3:13:36 PM Memory: 3.00 GB physical, 4.84 GB virtual
8/17/2009 3:13:36 PM Disk: 455.82 GB total, 425.58 GB free
8/17/2009 3:13:36 PM Local time is UTC -5 hours
8/17/2009 3:13:37 PM CUDA device: GeForce 9800 GT (driver version 18618, compute capability 1.1, 512MB, est. 60GFLOPS)
8/17/2009 3:13:37 PM CUDA device: GeForce 9800 GT (driver version 18618, compute capability 1.1, 512MB, est. 60GFLOPS)
8/17/2009 3:13:38 PM Not using a proxy
8/17/2009 3:13:38 PM World Community Grid URL: http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/; Computer ID: XXXXXX; location: (none); project prefs: default
8/17/2009 3:13:38 PM World Community Grid General prefs: from World Community Grid (last modified 15-Aug-2009 23:02:43)
8/17/2009 3:13:38 PM World Community Grid Host location: none
8/17/2009 3:13:38 PM World Community Grid General prefs: using your defaults
8/17/2009 3:13:38 PM Preferences limit memory usage when active to 3069.40MB
8/17/2009 3:13:38 PM Preferences limit memory usage when idle to 3069.40MB
8/17/2009 3:13:39 PM Preferences limit disk usage to 200.00GB


8/20/2009 4:24:06 PM Benchmark results:
8/20/2009 4:24:06 PM Number of CPUs: 4
8/20/2009 4:24:06 PM 3113 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
8/20/2009 4:24:06 PM 6284 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU
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Hi here are my i7 numbers

8/22/2009 9:30:38 AM||Starting BOINC client version 6.2.28 for windows_intelx86
8/22/2009 9:30:38 AM||log flags: task, file_xfer, sched_ops
8/22/2009 9:30:38 AM||Libraries: libcurl/7.19.0 OpenSSL/0.9.8i zlib/1.2.3
8/22/2009 9:30:38 AM||Running as a daemon
8/22/2009 9:30:38 AM||Data directory: C:\ProgramData\BOINC
8/22/2009 9:30:38 AM||Running under account boinc_master
8/22/2009 9:30:39 AM||Processor: 8 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 920 @ 2.67GHz [Intel64 Family 6 Model 26 Stepping 4]
8/22/2009 9:30:39 AM||Processor features: fpu tsc pae nx sse sse2 pni mmx
8/22/2009 9:30:39 AM||OS: Microsoft Windows Vista: Home Premium x64 Editon, Service Pack 2, (06.00.6002.00)
8/22/2009 9:30:39 AM||Memory: 11.99 GB physical, 23.91 GB virtual
8/22/2009 9:30:39 AM||Disk: 916.44 GB total, 624.21 GB free
8/22/2009 9:30:39 AM||Local time is UTC -4 hours
8/22/2009 9:30:39 AM|World Community Grid|URL: http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/; Computer ID: 913226; location: home; project prefs: default
8/22/2009 9:30:39 AM||General prefs: from World Community Grid (last modified 15-Aug-2009 21:49:05)
8/22/2009 9:30:39 AM||Computer location: home
8/22/2009 9:30:39 AM||General prefs: no separate prefs for home; using your defaults
8/22/2009 9:30:39 AM||Preferences limit memory usage when active to 12278.07MB
8/22/2009 9:30:39 AM||Preferences limit memory usage when idle to 12278.07MB
8/22/2009 9:30:39 AM||Preferences limit disk usage to 18.63GB

8/22/2009 9:34:20 AM||Benchmark results:
8/22/2009 9:34:20 AM|| Number of CPUs: 8
8/22/2009 9:34:20 AM|| 2655 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
8/22/2009 9:34:20 AM|| 6682 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU
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Beyond me why the BOINC benchmark is 1/5th of regular, also because the benchmark runs at normal priority by default and not at idle level priority which the sciences run at. I'd be interested to hear how the benchmark performs when boinc.exe priority is elevated to 1 below realtime. Also interested how the machine does running OCCT, linpack test which sure does my quad fans kick in max gear.
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Beyond me why the BOINC benchmark is 1/5th of regular, also because the benchmark runs at normal priority by default and not at idle level priority which the sciences run at. I'd be interested to hear how the benchmark performs when boinc.exe priority is elevated to 1 below realtime. Also interested how the machine does running OCCT, linpack test which sure does my quad fans kick in max gear.

The BOINC-benchmarks has been running at idle priority since v5.7.0. Still, the benchmarks is using cpu-time, so if anything else is running alongside, they'll either be roughly "correct", or show an error along the lines of "bencmark ran too little time" or something.


I would double-check the BIOS-settings, and the power-settings in windows, and in windows also trying if "High performance" instead of a heavily-edited "Balanced" will fix the problem. If this doesn't work, also look for any programs installed by the mainboard, since some of these can also throttle things...
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There is a prior discussion on this in a thread. Fire up 6.6.38, open up process manager Explorer, threads tab, hit benchmark and watch boinc open a new thread. Click this new thread opening, showing I/O Normal taking a bunch of cycles, then disappearing the second the benchmark finishes. Other test. Set the BOINC to normal and you get benchmarks all over the place depending on system load. Set boinc client to HP and the benchmark is steady as a rock. So where to see it's at idle level?

Edit: Manager to read Explorer.
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There is a prior discussion on this in a thread. Fire up 6.6.38, open up process manager, threads tab, hit benchmark and watch boinc open a new thread. Click this new thread opening, showing I/O Normal taking a bunch of cycles, then disappearing the second the benchmark finishes. Other test. Set the BOINC to normal and you get benchmarks all over the place depending on system load. Set boinc client to HP and the benchmark is steady as a rock. So where to see it's at idle level?

Process Manager? never heard of it...
Hmm, is it http://sourceforge.net/projects/processpriority/
If so, I can't see it's doing anything at all, it just put an icon in a tray, with no apparent functionality at all... confused

Anyway, I've not seen any discussions about v6.6.xx and benchmarks either, but does remember that earlier the integer-benchmarks was "all over the place" on multi-cpu...

Now, did a quick test with v5.10.45, and using PStat (from windows resource-kit), and it got two new threads, both with priority = 1 (in other words idle thread-priority).

Then wanted to try under win7 on the other hand, pstat just spit-out an error-message...

But, tried another tool instead, BvSlice, and this did work, and it has an option to show thread-priorities. According to this, BOINC v6.10.0 currently runs 6 threads, with priorities 8, 9 and 10 (8 is normal priority). Then started benchmark, one new thread for each "cpu" was started, running with priority 1. After running for roughly 30 seconds, a single thread was run, this again with priority 1.
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Hi All,

We've been kind of busy these last few days so we apologize for not posting anything back regarding our status and progress.

We think we've finally figured this beast out. Nothing like the older processors so there was a steep learning curve for us, but we think we have it now.

We had the system OC'd to 4Ghz (yes we've had it higher just for testing) and could complete 8 FAH work units completing like this:


faah7810_ ZINC01381120_ xmdEq_ 1MSN_ 00_ 0-- Valid 8/21/09 23:16:25 8/22/09 04:59:16 2.39 70.7 / 92.0
faah7810_ ZINC04887873_ xmdEq_ 1MSN_ 00_ 0-- Valid 8/21/09 23:07:57 8/22/09 04:59:16 2.21 65.2 / 84.7
faah7809_ ZINC04944280_ xmdEq_ 1MSN_ 01_ 0-- Valid 8/21/09 22:27:14 8/22/09 03:44:23 2.18 64.0 / 86.1
faah7809_ ZINC04944504_ xmdEq_ 1MSN_ 01_ 0-- Valid 8/21/09 21:56:30 8/22/09 03:23:17 2.22 65.3 / 83.5
faah7809_ ZINC01342715_ xmdEq_ 1MSN_ 00_ 0-- Valid 8/21/09 21:30:47 8/22/09 02:59:30 2.35 68.7 / 88.1
faah7809_ ZINC04952178_ xmdEq_ 1MSN_ 01_ 0-- Valid 8/21/09 21:09:12 8/22/09 02:59:30 2.20 64.2 / 85.1



At that time we were seeing Floating Point calculations in the 4100 / cpu and integer calculations of about 9500 / cpu (according to the cpu benchmark took for bionc).

Our temps during that period time were acceptable (65 - 66) we decided to back the system off just a bit and are now running at a modest 3.4. with temps hovering between 58-61 which we believe is well within reason.

At our current settings we are seeing this for the cpu bench marks.



8/22/2009 1:03:09 PM||Benchmark results:
8/22/2009 1:03:09 PM|| Number of CPUs: 8
8/22/2009 1:03:09 PM|| 3300 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
8/22/2009 1:03:09 PM|| 8232 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU
8/22/2009 1:03:10 PM||Resuming computation



We did make one interesting observation. When the system is first booted and after the applications are all available (right now it's just CPU-z; RealTemp and Bionc) when the cpu bench mark tool is used, it appears to be rather unreliable in all cases. This is even more evident when the database with our results was limited. Why? We don't have a clue.

Obviously, attempting to use something like the CMD2 wu's which have a fixed amount of time did little to us actually for instrumentation purposes.

The other thing we have observed and are really curious about is with the cpu benchmark process in and of itself. As we type out this post, the CPU is churning along at a nice 3.46 with the 58-62 temp range on the CPU. When the CPU benchmark runs, the temps on all cores drops to 38-44 and then when the work units take over again, it's off to the races again with the higher temps. This is certainly something we can't explain, but it is observable and causes us many questions.

Anyway, as we stated in the beginning of this post, we think we have finally dialed this thing in so we understand better where our ranges are for overclocking the machine.

We would like to thank everyone for their kind assistance in helping us figure this out and we really appreciated everyone's assistance, comments, direction and guidance.

Now we have a machine that can more closely compete with our Granddads's system and if we want, we can really kick his (_!_) biggrin
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The other thing we have observed and are really curious about is with the cpu benchmark process in and of itself. As we type out this post, the CPU is churning along at a nice 3.46 with the 58-62 temp range on the CPU. When the CPU benchmark runs, the temps on all cores drops to 38-44 and then when the work units take over again, it's off to the races again with the higher temps. This is certainly something we can't explain, but it is observable and causes us many questions.

Well, for the integer-part of the benchmark, only one thread is used, instead of 8, so obviously much less load is put on the cpu during this part of the benchmark.

For floating-point-tests 8 threads will run, so all cores is used.

Also, the BOINC-benchmarks is not optimized at all, while would guess even if a science-application doesn't use SSEx, would expect it has some basic optimizations, that likely puts higher load on the cpu than the generic, unoptimized BOINC-benchmarks does...
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So what was the root cause, change you made that kicked the benchmarks into 'normal' levels of performance?

Ingleside, seems there's a field I missed and was focusing on I/O priority. At top of the thread view it says Base priority: 1. Remains odd that changing the Parent priority to higher always produces the near same benchmark, whereas at normal it's a yo yo... mostly the integer part, in the composite rather overweighted to me considering the prevailing floating point comps we do.
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Sekerob,

To be perfectly honest, we are not exactly sure what caused the sudden change.

The one thing we can identify is that we had to go away and let it run unattended for a bit, and when we came back we looked at it ad ran the cpu benchies and were curious so we looked at our results and about fell on the floor.

Especially since we had the system up to 4.2 Ghz before and saw nothing like the kind of results we are observing now.

There is one setting in the advanced section of the BIOS where we can turn off a couple of things and we did that, but the results were not reported back to us immediately.

In a few weeks we are going to re-set the entire system and start over and at that time, we will see if we can more accurately identify the real culprit which caused us to pull our hair out.

We think it was lawrence that said something about all the new things which had been introduced into the i7's architecture to make it use less power. We spent some time trying to identify which things those were but it was painful to say the least since the documentation is somewhat muddled.
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