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Re: is this normal?

This was the very 1st thing we changed:

We got tired of wandering away and returning to find the system had decided it needed a coffee break and a siesta crying

Hi, TheGrandKids!

Looks like I was right. You have the power plan set to "Balanced". This will have CPU settings that slow the processor down when you're not using the computer. Changing the sleep time isn't enough these days.

It will be hidden in the advanced settings, but if you change the plan from "Balanced" to "Maximum Performance" it should take care of all the settings for you.

[Aug 19, 2009 6:56:41 AM]

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Re: is this normal?

This was the very 1st thing we changed:

We got tired of wandering away and returning to find the system had decided it needed a coffee break and a siesta crying

Win7 has 3 different plans, but only shows 2 of them on top while the 3rd. (high performance) is at the bottom. The easiest is to select "high performance", and make sure it's this is being edited. It is possible to edit "Balanced" also, but it's more settings to change so...

As far as cpu-speed goes, the defaults of "high performance" is 100%, but would personally still recommend to check then to turn-off displays, and then to turn-off hd's. (of course, if you've only got one hd, it's unlikely it will be turned-off while you're running BOINC...)

edit - according to the "Balanced" power-plan, the cpu is allowed to slow-down to 5% of normal speed... Now, under which conditions it will slow-down I don't know, I can't see any settings for this in windows, but with "Sleep"-mode defaulting to after 30 minutes, would expect cpu-throttling happens sooner than this...

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Re: is this normal?

Didactylos,

Thanks for pointing us in the right direction. There seems to be a lot of new stuff to learn with this new system and Win 7.

Ingleside,

Thanks for the help. We had modified the "balanced" values to never sleep, and do most of the things in the "performance" mode.

We will see how this system behaves now.

We would be interested to know if others are running similar systems and what they are seeing in the way of cpu results when they request cpu benchmarks.

We're not sure what we should be expecting.

And, we really is "WE"...

There seems to be enough capacity in this system that we can let it run and participate in good things while letting us do homework and other stuff. And we let it run while we are at school since we're not using it, we should let it do good things.

Anyway, it's off to school for us but we'll be back to see how this is behaving later on.

[Aug 19, 2009 3:33:15 PM]

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Re: is this normal?

We have a question.

These work units, do they use floating point or integer computations?

[Aug 20, 2009 6:47:47 AM]

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Re: is this normal?

AutoDock (FightAIDS@Home) is almost exclusively floating point.

[Aug 20, 2009 6:51:21 AM]

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Re: is this normal?

Didactylos,

we thank you for the info, so the next question is, does the site have a list of what work units use integer and what work unit use floating point?

[Aug 20, 2009 2:29:16 PM]

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Re: is this normal?

Hi again,

Well, we are back!

We went over to our Granddad's house and asked him for some observations on what we were seeing. Of course his first comment was, install it on my machine and lets see what we can find out.

So we installed WCG on his system, and the comparisons are all listed below.



+++++++++++  i7 920 at 2.66 ghz +++++++++++++++++

8/20/2009 10:51:11 AM||log flags: task, file_xfer, sched_ops
8/20/2009 10:51:11 AM||Libraries: libcurl/7.19.0 OpenSSL/0.9.8i zlib/1.2.3
8/20/2009 10:51:11 AM||Running as a daemon
8/20/2009 10:51:11 AM||Data directory: D:\WCG\ProgramData\BOINC
8/20/2009 10:51:11 AM||Running under account boinc_master
8/20/2009 10:51:14 AM||Processor: 8 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU         920  @ 2.67GHz [Intel64 Family 6 Model 26 Stepping 5]
8/20/2009 10:51:14 AM||Processor features: fpu tsc pae nx sse sse2 pni mmx
8/20/2009 10:51:14 AM||OS: Microsoft : x64 Editon, (06.01.7100.00)
8/20/2009 10:51:14 AM||Memory: 5.99 GB physical, 5.99 GB virtual
8/20/2009 10:51:14 AM||Disk: 931.41 GB total, 929.41 GB free
8/20/2009 10:51:14 AM||Local time is UTC -4 hours
8/20/2009 10:51:14 AM|World Community Grid|URL: http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/; Computer ID: xxxxxxx; location: (none); project prefs: default
8/20/2009 10:51:14 AM||General prefs: from World Community Grid (last modified 19-Aug-2009 02:39:48)
8/20/2009 10:51:14 AM||Host location: none
8/20/2009 10:51:14 AM||General prefs: using your defaults
8/20/2009 10:51:14 AM||Preferences limit memory usage when active to 4601.34MB
8/20/2009 10:51:14 AM||Preferences limit memory usage when idle to 5521.61MB
8/20/2009 10:51:14 AM||Preferences limit disk usage to 9.31GB
8/20/2009 10:52:30 AM||Running CPU benchmarks
8/20/2009 10:53:02 AM||Benchmark results:
8/20/2009 10:53:02 AM||   Number of CPUs: 8
8/20/2009 10:53:02 AM||   667 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
8/20/2009 10:53:02 AM||   1686 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU


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8/20/2009 10:59:12 AM||Starting BOINC client version 6.2.28 for windows_intelx86
8/20/2009 10:59:12 AM||log flags: task, file_xfer, sched_ops
8/20/2009 10:59:12 AM||Libraries: libcurl/7.19.0 OpenSSL/0.9.8i zlib/1.2.3
8/20/2009 10:59:12 AM||Running as a daemon
8/20/2009 10:59:12 AM||Data directory: D:\WCG\ProgramData\BOINC
8/20/2009 10:59:12 AM||Running under account boinc_master
8/20/2009 10:59:12 AM||Processor: 4 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU         920  @ 2.67GHz [Intel64 Family 6 Model 26 Stepping 5]
8/20/2009 10:59:12 AM||Processor features: fpu tsc pae nx sse sse2 pni mmx
8/20/2009 10:59:12 AM||OS: Microsoft : x64 Editon, (06.01.7100.00)
8/20/2009 10:59:12 AM||Memory: 5.99 GB physical, 5.99 GB virtual
8/20/2009 10:59:12 AM||Disk: 931.41 GB total, 929.39 GB free
8/20/2009 10:59:12 AM||Local time is UTC -4 hours
8/20/2009 10:59:12 AM|World Community Grid|URL: http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/; Computer ID: xxxxxxx; location: (none); project prefs: default
8/20/2009 10:59:12 AM||General prefs: from World Community Grid (last modified 19-Aug-2009 02:39:48)
8/20/2009 10:59:12 AM||Host location: none
8/20/2009 10:59:12 AM||General prefs: using your defaults
8/20/2009 10:59:12 AM||Preferences limit memory usage when active to 4601.34MB
8/20/2009 10:59:12 AM||Preferences limit memory usage when idle to 5521.61MB
8/20/2009 10:59:12 AM||Preferences limit disk usage to 9.31GB
8/20/2009 10:59:52 AM||Running CPU benchmarks
8/20/2009 11:00:24 AM||Benchmark results:
8/20/2009 11:00:24 AM||   Number of CPUs: 4
8/20/2009 11:00:24 AM||   745 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
8/20/2009 11:00:24 AM||   1672 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU

+++++++++++  i7 920 at 4.1 ghz +++++++++++++++++
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8/20/2009 11:09:34 AM||Starting BOINC client version 6.2.28 for windows_intelx86
8/20/2009 11:09:34 AM||log flags: task, file_xfer, sched_ops
8/20/2009 11:09:34 AM||Libraries: libcurl/7.19.0 OpenSSL/0.9.8i zlib/1.2.3
8/20/2009 11:09:34 AM||Running as a daemon
8/20/2009 11:09:34 AM||Data directory: D:\WCG\ProgramData\BOINC
8/20/2009 11:09:34 AM||Running under account boinc_master
8/20/2009 11:09:34 AM||Processor: 8 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU         920  @ 2.67GHz [Intel64 Family 6 Model 26 Stepping 5]
8/20/2009 11:09:34 AM||Processor features: fpu tsc pae nx sse sse2 pni mmx
8/20/2009 11:09:34 AM||OS: Microsoft : x64 Editon, (06.01.7100.00)
8/20/2009 11:09:34 AM||Memory: 5.99 GB physical, 11.98 GB virtual
8/20/2009 11:09:34 AM||Disk: 931.41 GB total, 929.40 GB free
8/20/2009 11:09:34 AM||Local time is UTC -4 hours
8/20/2009 11:09:34 AM|World Community Grid|URL: http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/; Computer ID: xxxxxxx; location: (none); project prefs: default
8/20/2009 11:09:34 AM||General prefs: from World Community Grid (last modified 19-Aug-2009 02:39:48)
8/20/2009 11:09:34 AM||Host location: none
8/20/2009 11:09:34 AM||General prefs: using your defaults
8/20/2009 11:09:34 AM||Preferences limit memory usage when active to 4601.34MB
8/20/2009 11:09:34 AM||Preferences limit memory usage when idle to 5521.61MB
8/20/2009 11:09:34 AM||Preferences limit disk usage to 9.31GB
8/20/2009 11:10:20 AM||Running CPU benchmarks
8/20/2009 11:10:52 AM||Benchmark results:
8/20/2009 11:10:52 AM||   Number of CPUs: 8
8/20/2009 11:10:52 AM||   980 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
8/20/2009 11:10:52 AM||   2460 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU


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8/20/2009 11:14:32 AM||Starting BOINC client version 6.2.28 for windows_intelx86
8/20/2009 11:14:32 AM||log flags: task, file_xfer, sched_ops
8/20/2009 11:14:32 AM||Libraries: libcurl/7.19.0 OpenSSL/0.9.8i zlib/1.2.3
8/20/2009 11:14:32 AM||Running as a daemon
8/20/2009 11:14:32 AM||Data directory: D:\WCG\ProgramData\BOINC
8/20/2009 11:14:32 AM||Running under account boinc_master
8/20/2009 11:14:32 AM||Processor: 4 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU         920  @ 2.67GHz [Intel64 Family 6 Model 26 Stepping 5]
8/20/2009 11:14:32 AM||Processor features: fpu tsc pae nx sse sse2 pni mmx
8/20/2009 11:14:32 AM||OS: Microsoft : x64 Editon, (06.01.7100.00)
8/20/2009 11:14:32 AM||Memory: 5.99 GB physical, 11.98 GB virtual
8/20/2009 11:14:32 AM||Disk: 931.41 GB total, 929.40 GB free
8/20/2009 11:14:32 AM||Local time is UTC -4 hours
8/20/2009 11:14:32 AM|World Community Grid|URL: http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/; Computer ID: xxxxxxx; location: (none); project prefs: default
8/20/2009 11:14:32 AM||General prefs: from World Community Grid (last modified 19-Aug-2009 02:39:48)
8/20/2009 11:14:32 AM||Host location: none
8/20/2009 11:14:32 AM||General prefs: using your defaults
8/20/2009 11:14:32 AM||Preferences limit memory usage when active to 4601.34MB
8/20/2009 11:14:32 AM||Preferences limit memory usage when idle to 5521.61MB
8/20/2009 11:14:32 AM||Preferences limit disk usage to 9.31GB
8/20/2009 11:15:08 AM||Running CPU benchmarks
8/20/2009 11:15:39 AM||Benchmark results:
8/20/2009 11:15:39 AM||   Number of CPUs: 4
8/20/2009 11:15:39 AM||   1088 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
8/20/2009 11:15:39 AM||   2447 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU

+++++++++++  Granddads Q6600 at 3.4 ghz +++++++++++++++++
======================================================================

He reran his Q6600 tests for us this morning and sent us the following file in an email.

8/20/2009 11:31:54 AM||Starting BOINC client version 6.2.28 for windows_intelx86
8/20/2009 11:31:54 AM||log flags: task, file_xfer, sched_ops
8/20/2009 11:31:54 AM||Libraries: libcurl/7.19.0 OpenSSL/0.9.8i zlib/1.2.3
8/20/2009 11:31:54 AM||Running as a daemon
8/20/2009 11:31:54 AM||Data directory: C:\Bionic Data
8/20/2009 11:31:54 AM||Running under account boinc_master
8/20/2009 11:31:54 AM||Processor: 4 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU    Q6600  @ 2.40GHz [x86 Family 6 Model 15 Stepping 11]
8/20/2009 11:31:54 AM||Processor features: fpu tsc sse sse2 mmx
8/20/2009 11:31:54 AM||OS: Microsoft Windows XP: Professional x86 Editon, Service Pack 3, (05.01.2600.00)
8/20/2009 11:31:54 AM||Memory: 3.12 GB physical, 4.97 GB virtual
8/20/2009 11:31:54 AM||Disk: 465.75 GB total, 446.18 GB free
8/20/2009 11:31:54 AM||Local time is UTC -4 hours
8/20/2009 11:31:54 AM|World Community Grid|URL: http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/; Computer ID: xxxxxxx; location: (none); project prefs: default
8/20/2009 11:31:54 AM||General prefs: from World Community Grid (last modified 14-Mar-2009 15:03:49)
8/20/2009 11:31:54 AM||Host location: none
8/20/2009 11:31:54 AM||General prefs: using your defaults
8/20/2009 11:31:54 AM||Preferences limit memory usage when active to 2879.14MB
8/20/2009 11:31:54 AM||Preferences limit memory usage when idle to 2879.14MB
8/20/2009 11:31:54 AM||Preferences limit disk usage to 9.31GB
8/20/2009 11:33:41 AM||Running CPU benchmarks
8/20/2009 11:34:13 AM||Benchmark results:
8/20/2009 11:34:13 AM||   Number of CPUs: 4
8/20/2009 11:34:13 AM||   3322 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
8/20/2009 11:34:13 AM||   7337 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU

The first thing we can see is a huge difference in floating point and integer calculations on the Q6600 when compared to the i7 920 either at base or when over clocked to 4.1 Ghz.

The other thing we can see is the difference in the operating systems, Q6600 is running XP Pro (32 bit) and the i7 is running Windows 7.

We called up Granddad and asked him more questions and his question back to us was; is the code optimized for one platform or another and can we get an optimized program for the i7 presuming it's needed?

We expected the i7 to out perform Granddads old Q6600.

What are we missing?

The Kids

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[Aug 20, 2009 4:05:12 PM]

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Re: is this normal?

The i7 includes all sorts of advanced circuitry to slow down the clock and reduce power usage. You need to go to Advanced Options in your Power Usage and tell it to run at 100%.

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[Aug 20, 2009 4:23:01 PM]

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8/20/2009 10:53:02 AM|| Number of CPUs: 88/20/2009 10:53:02 AM|| 667 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU8/20/2009 10:53:02 AM|| 1686 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU

for sure there is something throttling you back as your benchmarks should be more like 9000/ 11000 or thereabouts depending on OC.

There are no optimized apps for these projects.

{edit} oops ... benchies should be around 3500 / 11000 {/edit}
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Re: is this normal?

Here's my i7 #'s:

8/18/2009 7:50:59 PM Running CPU benchmarks
8/18/2009 7:50:59 PM Suspending computation - running CPU benchmarks
8/18/2009 7:51:31 PM Benchmark results:
8/18/2009 7:51:31 PM Number of CPUs: 8
8/18/2009 7:51:31 PM 2557 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
8/18/2009 7:51:31 PM 7542 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU

8/17/2009 3:13:03 PM Starting BOINC client version 6.6.36 for windows_x86_64
8/17/2009 3:13:03 PM log flags: task, file_xfer, sched_ops
8/17/2009 3:13:03 PM Libraries: libcurl/7.19.4 OpenSSL/0.9.8j zlib/1.2.3
8/17/2009 3:13:03 PM Data directory: C:\ProgramData\BOINC
8/17/2009 3:13:03 PM Running under account Main
8/17/2009 3:13:04 PM Processor: 8 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 920 @ 2.67GHz [Intel64 Family 6 Model 26 Stepping 5]
8/17/2009 3:13:04 PM Processor features: fpu tsc pae nx sse sse2 pni
8/17/2009 3:13:04 PM OS: Microsoft Windows Vista: Home Premium x64 Edition, Service Pack 1, (06.00.6001.00)
8/17/2009 3:13:04 PM Memory: 5.99 GB physical, 12.09 GB virtual
8/17/2009 3:13:04 PM Disk: 581.10 GB total, 537.46 GB free
8/17/2009 3:13:04 PM Local time is UTC -5 hours
8/17/2009 3:13:05 PM No CUDA devices found
8/17/2009 3:13:05 PM No coprocessors
8/17/2009 3:13:06 PM Not using a proxy
8/17/2009 3:13:06 PM World Community Grid URL: http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/; Computer ID: XXXXXXX; location: (none); project prefs: default
8/17/2009 3:13:06 PM World Community Grid General prefs: from World Community Grid (last modified 15-Aug-2009 23:02:43)
8/17/2009 3:13:06 PM World Community Grid Host location: none
8/17/2009 3:13:06 PM World Community Grid General prefs: using your defaults
8/17/2009 3:13:06 PM Preferences limit memory usage when active to 6134.26MB
8/17/2009 3:13:06 PM Preferences limit memory usage when idle to 6134.26MB
8/17/2009 3:13:10 PM Preferences limit disk usage to 200.00GB

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