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is this normal?
Hi,

we're new here and don't seem to understand what is happening.

We've tried to search the forums to see if we couldn't figure this out on our own. there's so much stuff here it's hard to filter out what is useful.

this is a new system here;

i7 920 D0
P6T Deluxe V2 board
6 Gb 1066 memory
2 - 1Tb WD HDD's
2 - DVD drives
1 - Geforce GTX 285 Video card

Os Windows 7 (64) bit
Bionic 6.2.28

Have noticed some interesting behaviors and would appreciate some help.

1). We are processing the FAAH work units
2). faah7745_ ZINC00919627_ xmdEq_ 1MSN_ 04_ 0--
3), got this work unit yesterday and it's continuing to run.
4). WorK Unit started indicating it would take about 5 hours to complete; it's been running continuous and uninterrupted for almost 6 hrs yet bionic manager reports only 4 hours and a few minutes.
5). when we first look at the status, it gets up to about 20% complete and the status column says running.
6). movement of the mouse causes the status column to status column to change to suspended - user active
7). percent complete then drops to about 15% ant the time to completion elongates.
8) we changed our settings so bionic would run 100% of the time (or we presume that's what we've done).
9). bionic manager shows we are running 8 processes

Do these work units ever complete?

Is this normal behavior?

Do we have something set up incorrectly?
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Re: is this normal?
Hi,

we're new here and don't seem to understand what is happening.

We've tried to search the forums to see if we couldn't figure this out on our own. there's so much stuff here it's hard to filter out what is useful.

this is a new system here;

i7 920 D0
P6T Deluxe V2 board
6 Gb 1066 memory
2 - 1Tb WD HDD's
2 - DVD drives
1 - Geforce GTX 285 Video card

Os Windows 7 (64) bit
Bionic 6.2.28

Have noticed some interesting behaviors and would appreciate some help.

1). We are processing the FAAH work units
2). faah7745_ ZINC00919627_ xmdEq_ 1MSN_ 04_ 0--
3), got this work unit yesterday and it's continuing to run.
4). WorK Unit started indicating it would take about 5 hours to complete; it's been running continuous and uninterrupted for almost 6 hrs yet bionic manager reports only 4 hours and a few minutes.
5). when we first look at the status, it gets up to about 20% complete and the status column says running.
6). movement of the mouse causes the status column to status column to change to suspended - user active
7). percent complete then drops to about 15% ant the time to completion elongates.
8) we changed our settings so bionic would run 100% of the time (or we presume that's what we've done).
9). bionic manager shows we are running 8 processes

Do these work units ever complete?

Is this normal behavior?

Do we have something set up incorrectly?


#6 is the setting that says to do nothing while the computer is in use. I make my changes in the Boinc Manager, the icon in the tray. Open it and then go to Advanced, Preferences and then processor usage and put a check in the box and the machine will continue processing when you move the mouse.

#9 means you have HT enabled on your machine and yes you should be crunching 8 units at a time.

#8 and #9...it is Boinc not Bionic, this is not the 6 million dollar man show.

#5 will go faster after you change the setting to run while the computer is in use.

#7 Yes some units will take longer than others and if you are running multiple Boinc projects, WCG is only one project, each time you switch your pc will set a 'checkpoint' and then when you swap back to that project Boinc will start at the 'checkpoint' when it starts processing again. A 'checkpoint' is just a good stopping point and is not exactly where you were when you stopped. Sometimes it does go backwards.

I see you have a GTX 295 video card, right now WCG does not support video card crunching but other projects do. If you interested in doing that just ask and their are people here that give you specifics on what projects do use them and how to do it. One of the first things though is you would have to upgrade Boinc to a 6.4.? or higher version. If you don't want to upgrade Boinc you could also do a non Boinc video card crunching project such as Folding@Home that uses its own software.

You have entered the exciting World of Distributed Computing which many think is the future of many Scientific breakthroughs in the future! Enjoy and please ask for any help you might need, many, MANY of us have been here a long time and we are still asking questions! There is much to learn and many willing to help.
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Hi,

we're new here and don't seem to understand what is happening.

We've tried to search the forums to see if we couldn't figure this out on our own. there's so much stuff here it's hard to filter out what is useful.

this is a new system here;

i7 920 D0
P6T Deluxe V2 board
6 Gb 1066 memory
2 - 1Tb WD HDD's
2 - DVD drives
1 - Geforce GTX 285 Video card

Os Windows 7 (64) bit
Bionic 6.2.28

Have noticed some interesting behaviors and would appreciate some help.

1). We are processing the FAAH work units
2). faah7745_ ZINC00919627_ xmdEq_ 1MSN_ 04_ 0--
3), got this work unit yesterday and it's continuing to run.
4). WorK Unit started indicating it would take about 5 hours to complete; it's been running continuous and uninterrupted for almost 6 hrs yet bionic manager reports only 4 hours and a few minutes.
5). when we first look at the status, it gets up to about 20% complete and the status column says running.
6). movement of the mouse causes the status column to status column to change to suspended - user active
7). percent complete then drops to about 15% ant the time to completion elongates.
8) we changed our settings so bionic would run 100% of the time (or we presume that's what we've done).
9). bionic manager shows we are running 8 processes

Do these work units ever complete?

Is this normal behavior?

Do we have something set up incorrectly?


#6 is the setting that says to do nothing while the computer is in use. I make my changes in the Boinc Manager, the icon in the tray. Open it and then go to Advanced, Preferences and then processor usage and put a check in the box and the machine will continue processing when you move the mouse.

#9 means you have HT enabled on your machine and yes you should be crunching 8 units at a time.

#8 and #9...it is Boinc not Bionic, this is not the 6 million dollar man show.

#5 will go faster after you change the setting to run while the computer is in use.

#7 Yes some units will take longer than others and if you are running multiple Boinc projects, WCG is only one project, each time you switch your pc will set a 'checkpoint' and then when you swap back to that project Boinc will start at the 'checkpoint' when it starts processing again. A 'checkpoint' is just a good stopping point and is not exactly where you were when you stopped. Sometimes it does go backwards.

I see you have a GTX 295 video card, right now WCG does not support video card crunching but other projects do. If you interested in doing that just ask and their are people here that give you specifics on what projects do use them and how to do it. One of the first things though is you would have to upgrade Boinc to a 6.4.? or higher version. If you don't want to upgrade Boinc you could also do a non Boinc video card crunching project such as Folding@Home that uses its own software.

You have entered the exciting World of Distributed Computing which many think is the future of many Scientific breakthroughs in the future! Enjoy and please ask for any help you might need, many, MANY of us have been here a long time and we are still asking questions! There is much to learn and many willing to help.



Thank you Mikey,

changed the value in Bionc manager per your suggestion, thanks, that seems to have solved the "suspended - user active" stuff.

now it the work units will only start to run to completion in a reasonable amount of time.

BTW we have a GTX 285 video card. We wanted the 295 but determined for the cost the 285 was the perfect ticket. We are aware that we could have saved a few pennies and gotten either the 260 or 275 and overclocked it but then again why?

Thanks for your help... back later after school
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Your quickest route to Nirvana was the KISS method and switch at My Grid > Device Manager > Device Profile from Minimum Impact or Standard Setting to Maximum Output preset. No potential future confusions, no local prefs conflicts. On first client-server contact these presets would have gone into effect. The I7-920's are very well able to run full power for volunteer computing.

The reverting to a lower percent is because the sciences unload from memory and resume from last checkpoint saved. The Leave Application in Memory to stop the unloading has it's pros and cons. The [major] pro is that during the 5 daily benchmarking the sciences remain loaded and on a 8 thread client that easily can cause a combined computing loss of an hour and more, but then what's an hour on 5 days of non-stop computing on a octo cruncher, 1/960th optimizing gridders will say ;>)
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So we're finally back from school.

Here's the same programs that were running since this morning;



we sure don't understand this, we figured at the outside it would take about 4 hrs to complete; this just gets uglier and uglier.

Can someone explain what we might be doing incorrectly?

thanks

The Kids (and no we are not goats! wink )
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I suspect your power management settings are slowing your computer down to save energy. New computers are getting better at not wasting energy - but this can be really annoying when you want the computer running at full speed.

Have a look at the power options in Control Panel.
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we're pretty sure we've gpt all the power management junk turned off
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If all else fails, then there may be a clue in the BOINC messages tab. Thus, if you could paste into this thread, the first 2 dozen or so lines of the messages that are displayed when you first start BOINC up, then there could be something in there that'll explain as to what's happening.
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8/18/2009 7:15:44 PM||Starting BOINC client version 6.2.28 for windows_intelx86
8/18/2009 7:15:44 PM||log flags: task, file_xfer, sched_ops
8/18/2009 7:15:44 PM||Libraries: libcurl/7.19.0 OpenSSL/0.9.8i zlib/1.2.3
8/18/2009 7:15:44 PM||Running as a daemon
8/18/2009 7:15:44 PM||Data directory: D:\WCG\ProgramData\BOINC
8/18/2009 7:15:44 PM||Running under account boinc_master
8/18/2009 7:15:44 PM||Processor: 8 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU         920  @ 2.67GHz [Intel64 Family 6 Model 26 Stepping 5]
8/18/2009 7:15:44 PM||Processor features: fpu tsc pae nx sse sse2 pni mmx
8/18/2009 7:15:44 PM||OS: Microsoft : x64 Editon, (06.01.7100.00)
8/18/2009 7:15:44 PM||Memory: 5.99 GB physical, 5.99 GB virtual
8/18/2009 7:15:44 PM||Disk: 931.41 GB total, 929.16 GB free
8/18/2009 7:15:44 PM||Local time is UTC -4 hours
8/18/2009 7:15:44 PM|World Community Grid|URL: http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/; Computer ID: xxxxxxx; location: (none); project prefs: default
8/18/2009 7:15:44 PM||General prefs: from World Community Grid (last modified 08-Aug-2009 16:37:40)
8/18/2009 7:15:44 PM||Host location: none
8/18/2009 7:15:44 PM||General prefs: using your defaults
8/18/2009 7:15:44 PM||Reading preferences override file
8/18/2009 7:15:44 PM||Preferences limit memory usage when active to 6135.12MB
8/18/2009 7:15:44 PM||Preferences limit memory usage when idle to 6135.12MB
8/18/2009 7:15:44 PM||Preferences limit disk usage to 9.31GB
8/18/2009 7:17:44 PM|World Community Grid|Restarting task faah7745_ZINC00879961_xmdEq_1MSN_00_0 using faah version 607
8/18/2009 7:17:44 PM|World Community Grid|Restarting task faah7745_ZINC01225022_xmdEq_1MSN_02_0 using faah version 607
8/18/2009 7:17:44 PM|World Community Grid|Restarting task faah7745_ZINC01345724_xmdEq_1MSN_01_0 using faah version 607
8/18/2009 7:17:44 PM|World Community Grid|Restarting task faah7745_ZINC00154885_xmdEq_1MSN_01_0 using faah version 607
8/18/2009 7:17:44 PM|World Community Grid|Restarting task faah7745_ZINC06133974_xmdEq_1MSN_01_0 using faah version 607
8/18/2009 7:17:44 PM|World Community Grid|Restarting task faah7745_ZINC06462001_xmdEq_1MSN_07_0 using faah version 607
8/18/2009 7:17:44 PM|World Community Grid|Restarting task faah7745_ZINC00863576_xmdEq_1MSN_00_0 using faah version 607
8/18/2009 7:17:44 PM|World Community Grid|Restarting task faah7745_ZINC00919627_xmdEq_1MSN_04_0 using faah version 607
8/18/2009 8:10:20 PM|World Community Grid|Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.  Requesting 19 seconds of work, reporting 0 completed tasks
8/18/2009 8:10:25 PM|World Community Grid|Scheduler request succeeded: got 1 new tasks
8/18/2009 8:10:25 PM||Host location: none
8/18/2009 8:10:25 PM||General prefs: using your defaults
8/18/2009 8:10:25 PM||Reading preferences override file
8/18/2009 8:10:25 PM||Preferences limit memory usage when active to 6135.12MB
8/18/2009 8:10:25 PM||Preferences limit memory usage when idle to 6135.12MB
8/18/2009 8:10:25 PM||Preferences limit disk usage to 9.31GB
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WOW never saw a FAAH WU lasting long time as yours mainly considering your processor and machine configuration, despite of your actual settings.

I bet that maybe Didactylos tip about energy mode is the answer to solve it, once W7 automatically will reduce the usage of machine almost to zero if you don't use for some minutes, once all W7 RC came with balaced power consumption mode pre-selected as recommended.

So, before any other action and anything, try change it to High performance mode and if you prefer change too the settings inside this option on your W7 Power Options.

Additionally, I would like to humbling suggest you to change the approach to set the maximum performnace for this machine, and the follow steps:

1 - At yours MY GRID page, in the left side, click on Device Manager.
2 - Now, click on your profile for your machine nickname
3 - Now, select CUSTOM PROFILE option
4 - Be sure that you set the profile to run 100% of processor time (if you will dedicate this machine 100% to WCG)
5 - For other parameters set according your preferences
6 - Take special attention on the percentage of processors usage on multiprocessors machine (fill with 100% if you will dedicate 100% of your machine time to WCG)...

OBS: I don't know if you have a great cooling system, but I take a look at your great configuration and can imagine that you have one adequate to support the processor at full speed and running 8 tasks of WCG without damages related with hot temperatures of cores...
Please be advised about it, and don't negligenciate this detail before change the settings of your profile for the suggested above.

Hope help you. Good crunch. Good luck. peace peace good luck good luck coffee coffee
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