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Thread: BOINC Version Confusion in reguards to WCG and Berkeley |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
AGAIN I AM CONFUSED AND YOU ARE CONFUSING THE ISSUE HERE!
Test version: 6.3.21 Current Working Version: 6.2.19 Why does WCG have us testing 6.2.25 when A BOINC is not even supporting this version and if it was has moved past it already! WCG is as slow to move and react in this matter as the military is with upgrading! Again you are having people test software that is already out of date!? Makes no sense! By the way current RC looks like 6.3.12 not some 6.4. If a 6.4 version exists then it is way early and limited to some small group @ Berkley testing the software. So please come on people what is going on!? From my previous thread: BOINC, bigger and better bugs. Joy. Did you know that 5.10 was updated 45 times before the most major bugs were fixed and World Community Grid accepted it? And that was just the bugs that people noticed. There are many more documented now. WCG are still tracking some major bugs in BOINC 6. Meanwhile, Berkeley are pushing ahead with BOINC 6.4, despite the failure of 6.2. Seems they just won't learn from past mistakes! BOINC Known Versions! |
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Former Member
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You learned people you have posted hundreds of to thousands of times in this form to earn a title other then cruncher need to please look at this question??
How come I am being asked to help test a piece of software that the group that made it Berkeley in this case is not supporting itself!? Again working version is 6.2.19 not some 6.2.25!?!??!?! Also testing version is 6.3.21. Again nothing to do with this elusive version 6.2.25 WCG wants tested? Can we get with the program???? Thank you! |
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Former Member
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What's the big deal? I have machines using 5.10.45 and they work fine. I just upgraded a couple of machines to 6.2.19 a couple weeks ago just to see what, if any, big differences were. Only big upgrade I noticed was ease of installation on Vista.
Sometimes it's better to stick with something stable and let the bugs get worked out of the new version first. Why do you want the latest and not so greatest all the time? I'm sure if you wanted to be a Beta or even Alpha tester you can email Berkeley and volunteer. |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Wow. You do seem confused and frustrated.
One question before we begin. Do you care? World Community Grid are testing the correct version, and there is no earthly reason why you should want to know the technicalities. It is boring and technical and you really have no need to know. Can't you just accept it? You seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that World Community Grid is somehow at fault. That is not the case. Okay then: the boring and technical stuff: Version numbers are made of three parts: a major version, minor version, and a release number. BOINC uses odd minor numbers for alpha testing. Alpha versions are NOT FOR GENERAL RELEASE. Even minor versions start as beta versions then are promoted to stable release versions. So, 6.3.x will eventually be released as 6.4.y. When a version is promoted to stable, development does not stop. If bugs are found, development continues in parallel with the new alpha version. World Community Grid do not adopt new versions from Berkeley immediately. Experience has taught us that what they call "stable" is in fact a buggy mess. So, we wait for the bug reports to emerge. That way, Berkeley went from the first release (7, I think) all the way up to 19. Now that 19 has been stable for some time, World Community Grid techs have looked closely at it, fixed certain bugs, and added some critical features specific to World Community Grid. This process brought the version up to 25. Once our beta testing is complete, Berkeley will release a new recommended version and World Community Grid will update their download page. So. 6.3.12 is not a release candidate. It is a big pile of bugs that lucky alpha testers get to play with. You should pity them, it isn't fun. World Community Grid are committed to providing stable, tested software to their members. Berkeley has a much lower standard. World Community Grid software must pass a security review, too. |
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Diana G.
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<snip> World Community Grid are committed to providing stable, tested software to their members. Berkeley has a much lower standard. World Community Grid software must pass a security review, too. And this is one of the things I like about WCG! I trust their judgment and feel secure in that they will NOT promote a release on their front page until all has been reviewed and tested to work properly. Thank you WCG for your strict adherence to high standards  .  |
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World Community Grid techs have looked closely at it, fixed certain bugs, and added some critical features specific to World Community Grid. This would imply that there is some advantage or differences to running the WCG version of Boinc ? I've only added WCG as an existing Boinc user, running various versions (5.10.28, 5.10.45, 6.2.14, 6.2.18, 6.2.19, 6.3.10, etc.) none of which are the "WCG version" Other than quality control, what are the differences for the client, and will these impact running other projects ? Thanks :) |
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The WCG bug fixes will be contained in the next Berkeley recommended release, too. In the same way that Berkeley eventually released the 5.10.45 version, approved and tested by WCG (although the version supplied by WCG is slightly different, since it contains the WCG branding).
I strongly advise you not to use 6.3.x unless you are a BOINC alpha tester. We won't support that version here, and it is guaranteed to have problems. Alpha versions are not complete, and they are not tested at all. Sometimes they won't even run! Very often they crash, or consume excessive resources. Use the recommended version, instead: 5.10.45 or 6.2.19. |
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I care only in so much is more then one answer (version) exists. I want to know why I see what I see on WCG. All my questions have been answered. I just wanted to know what was going on in regards to seeing multiple versions of which WCG is not showing support for all via Berkeley. Thank you for those who answered my question and did not ****on me for asking!
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The WCG bug fixes will be contained in the next Berkeley recommended release, too. In the same way that Berkeley eventually released the 5.10.45 version, approved and tested by WCG (although the version supplied by WCG is slightly different, since it contains the WCG branding). Thank you for clarifying that :) I strongly advise you not to use 6.3.x unless you are a BOINC alpha tester. We won't support that version here, and it is guaranteed to have problems. This is only on one machine, for CUDA support, and for which I have made modifications to the code for personal preferences, and to experiment with the client. It is VERY buggy, and I would not recommend it for anyone, including alpha testers, lol. |
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Former Member
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How come I am being asked to help test a piece of software that the group that made it Berkeley in this case is not supporting itself!? If you are confused, then do not bother to test the product. You replied that you were thankful that some people didn't **** on you. That is great since you did NOT have the courtesy to refrain from disrespecting others. I have a number of machines that are running 5.10.45 with very few problems. I am going to wait until the CAs and Techs approve another version that works. If you follow the fora at all you will see all kinds of problems with versions not tested and approved by WCG. THis is the first 6.x version that anyone in WCG has been asked to test which means that our time has not been wasted on the many faulty 6.x versions. Thank you. I understand that you might have been confused, but in reality WCG has been very straight forward in managing the potential migration to 6.x |
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