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Diana G.
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Re: BOINC Version Confusion in reguards to WCG and Berkeley

I care only in so much is more then one answer (version) exists. I want to know why I see what I see on WCG. All my questions have been answered. I just wanted to know what was going on in regards to seeing multiple versions of which WCG is not showing support for all via Berkeley. Thank you for those who answered my question and did not s**t on me for asking!


Your very welcome Cyberia :)
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Re: BOINC Version Confusion in reguards to WCG and Berkeley

AGAIN I AM CONFUSED AND YOU ARE CONFUSING THE ISSUE HERE!

WCG is as slow to move and react in this matter as the military is with upgrading! Again you are having people test software that is already out of date!? Makes no sense!

So please come on people what is going on!?

Sorry, I guess I wasn't clear enough in my thoughts. For someone who had a question, the above quote is no way to start a conversation. If we were speaking face-to-face and you spoke to me like that, you might get a slap to face. Your confusion does not make it a crisis for the CAs and Techs.
There are about 80,000 daily contributors to WCG but there are only about a dozen true experts on this system. Please treat them with the respect that I believe they have earned. Be nice, ask a question and you'll get an accurate, honest response that you will find is very helpful.
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Re: BOINC Version Confusion in reguards to WCG and Berkeley

. It is a big pile of bugs that lucky alpha testers get to play with.


Oh, the pile isn't that big D. The recent 6.3.21 (alpha) is pretty much the recommended version for GPUGrid (beta). There are still some bugs for GPU, however I can say from experience it runs fine with WCG (HCC & Rice) and with D@H, POEM, QMC & CPND. wink As to other projects, I do not know.

But run it at your own risk. "You pays your money and takes your chances. cool

You should pity them, it isn't fun.


Yes, it is fun. biggrin
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Re: BOINC Version Confusion in reguards to WCG and Berkeley

250 open issues (123 of which are defects), and I know for a fact that list isn't complete.

So, lots of bugs, whether they affect normal crunching or not.
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250 open issues (123 of which are defects), and I know for a fact that list isn't complete.

So, lots of bugs, whether they affect normal crunching or not.


That's not a big list, it's a walk in the park. That's why they call it testing. wink
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If I thought they would be fixed before release, I would agree with you. But experience tells me that BOINC 6.4 will be released with known bugs and insufficient testing. No discredit to the testers - they do an excellent job. It's the development model that is broken.
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I agree about their testing... BOINC’s motto of late seems to be, “A new release a week is all we ask.” biggrin

But if you want to run your card on GPUGrid as well as use all your other CPU cores too, 6.3.21 is the best release available and works with the projects I mentioned. I’m testing it with Yoyo now. confused
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Re: BOINC Version Confusion in reguards to WCG and Berkeley

World Community Grid's version of the BOINC is not intended to significantly differ from the Berkeley version. From release to release we only intend to have the following changes:
  • Install the World Community Grid skin
  • After installation, initiate an attach to project dialogue for World Community Grid
  • Starting with 6.2, make sure that the new version check fetches the new version list from World Community Grid
  • Perform the network connectivity test against ibm.com instead of google.com (some partners don't like the idea of connecting to google even if it is just a small http request)
  • We will use the startup delay feature that delays starting the research applications until 2 minutes after Boinc starts. This will reduce contention for disk I/O and processor time during the computer startup
All of these features are available in the standard BOINC agent. However, we have simply packaged the agent to use these features. The last three items are all options in the cc_config.xml file.

Why has the version number gone from 6.2.19 to 6.2.25 (and later today we should have 6.2.26)? The following major items were changed:
  • Updated the version of libCurl. This has some important fixes for HTTPS connections when using proxies and will help some of our members significantly.
  • Update OpenSSL to current version
  • 6.2.19 has no option to shutdown the boinc core client if you installed it in protected application mode except for going to the services dialogue and stopping the service. This is a function that many users won't know how to do. If I am Joe Q public who doesn't know what a service is and I want to stop BOINC so I exit the manager and BOINC keeps running, then my only choice will be to uninstall BOINC to get it to stop running. As a result, 6.2.26 will display a dialogue when you exit the BOINC manager that gives the option of also stopping the core client.
  • 6.2.19 has no option to stop the BOINC manager from starting up each time you reboot your computer. You have to go to the startup folder and remove the shortcut. Again, this is something that Joe Q public won't know how to do. There will be a checkbox in the advanced view -> advanced menu -> options that will allow the user to control whether or not it starts up
Last time I talked to Rom (BOINC developer and release manager), he indicated that he was going to release an update to 6.2 that will match the version we will be using. There will be minimal differences between our version and the Berkeley version.
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Re: BOINC Version Confusion in reguards to WCG and Berkeley

I agree about their testing... BOINC’s motto of late seems to be, “A new release a week is all we ask.” biggrin

But if you want to run your card on GPUGrid as well as use all your other CPU cores too, 6.3.21 is the best release available and works with the projects I mentioned. I’m testing it with Yoyo now. confused



I've managed to get all cores and the GPU to work under 6.3.10 with a little tweaking, though it took such a toll on resources (lowest supported card) that it was not worth running on that host.

Now, for the following reasons, I kind of don't want to upgrade:
While I was in there, I added an update all button, which will synch all projects you are attached to, so you don't have to do them individually.
Also, added an override (since a couple project automatically back out to 24 hours before contact if no work is available) to make the update wait no longer than 1 hour.
and finally, though I've not got it working quite right yet, added separate queue length, so you can set a different queue depth for each project (2 days for one project, 0.5 days for another, 1 day for another, etc.) Though it's still not quite right, as sometimes they do not grab any work, even if it is available, and the cache dry. :(

Would be nice to see these features in a stable release, but for now I have learned my lesson: Don't tweak alpha code, lol... Perhaps I will add the options again later to a stable release :/
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Re: BOINC Version Confusion in reguards to WCG and Berkeley

Why would you add an "Update all Projects" button when selecting all projects and hitting "Update" does that in 6.2... maybe a reason to downgrade... LoL
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