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Re: Rewarding contributions

Huh? Hold on there, we're trying to diagnose a claim versus credit problem. If I even suspected that you were providing false information I'd not even engage and simply pass it to the paid WCG staff. I'm just an unpaid volunteer here, none profit so to speak, who tries to help other volunteer crunchers work through an issue they have.

The throttled may be part of the issue 3 ghz versus running at 1 ghz. Effectively, it it crunches at 1/3rd of the power and claims as the 3 ghz, it might simply be the awarded credit is adjusted to the actual work performed.

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Could you go into the BIOS and disable the chip throttle down feature, then let BOINC run for a day or two to see if the claimed credit vs awarded credit become more accurate?
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Huh? Hold on there, we're trying to diagnose a claim versus credit problem.


granted, sorry, i asked others to lighten up a bit and then went over for a moment, however that was not the thrust of the post, it's been moving OT.

The throttled may be part of the issue 3 ghz versus running at 1 ghz. Effectively, it it crunches at 1/3rd of the power and claims as the 3 ghz, it might simply be the awarded credit is adjusted to the actual work performed.


i see your point. isn't this an issue that should occur often with all these power saving features around these days though ?

Could you go into the BIOS and disable the chip throttle down feature, then let BOINC run for a day or two to see if the claimed credit vs awarded credit become more accurate?


i can sure set it to full speed, the bios changes are not required as the speed is controlled by software and can be set to dynamic switching (speed goes up or down according to load amount and type) or manual. I'll set it to manual max speed as soon as the current 2 units have finished processing so the next ones won't be "hybridized"

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Re: Rewarding contributions

Ah, gotchas. The benchmark is a normal priority event and the crunching is a lowest priority event. It would thus seem your system goes full out when doing the once per 5 day performance test and goes back to the crunchers speed when done. Few people report this discrepancy, most content to do the contribution in silence and let it do what it does.

You could leave it and accept it that the award is correct or use a program like Process Lasso to set the priority of BOINC.exe low which does the benchmark, but fear that has implications on the housekeeping part between client/server and science. Someone who knows the innards of BOINC could elucidate on that proposition.

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Hello Darth nVidious,
isn't this an issue that should occur often with all these power saving features around these days though ?

Yes, but this is a very recent change. It is just this last year that we have started getting many queries about the power-saving throttle. For years this was an unusual feature that only power users had. Now it is starting to pop up all over. I don't see any quick fix on the horizon. Perhaps once we have BOINC 6 all debugged, the developers will work up a fix. For now, BOINC is unaware of clock speed changes and claims credit at the rate the speed test ran at, even if the CPU clock rate has slowed down.

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Darth, my point about money wasn't meant to imply that you wanted any of it. But when an operation like World Community Grid has a very limited budget, they have to use every penny as best as they can. The techs are already phenomenally overworked, so it is amazing they find time to provide the nifty "value added" features they do.

Of course we want more of these features. But ultimately, we just have to wait, and play the long game. A couple of new features have been promised for the short term, so keep an eye out for those. I can't say when or what, though.

Yes, data released into the public domain can be used by "big pharma". But they can't patent it, so non-profits and government agencies can provide the same drugs at lower prices, particularly in the third world. There is even an advantage in letting the big pharmaceuticals trailblaze with new drug designs, because human testing is mind-bogglingly expensive. Once the drug is approved, similar drugs can be fast-tracked, and the process is much cheaper.
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hi again

thanks to everybody for your input and patience, i will keep an eye on the full-speed wus claim-credit issue over the next couple of days and see whether it gets any better.

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Yes, data released into the public domain can be used by "big pharma". But they can't patent it, so non-profits and government agencies can provide the same drugs at lower prices, particularly in the third world. There is even an advantage in letting the big pharmaceuticals trailblaze with new drug designs, because human testing is mind-bogglingly expensive. Once the drug is approved, similar drugs can be fast-tracked, and the process is much cheaper.


ah, that is something i was not aware of, i am glad you cleared it up for me, it really makes me feel much better, thank you

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