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Re: Can the WCG make it possible for Free-DC Stats to get "fresh stats"?

I don't have any objection to dividing everyone's score by seven so that we are consistent with using BOINC credits everywhere.

But to convert UD results into BOINC results that has never been done by BOINC and then comparing the UD+BOINC with other sites doesn't sound quite right. Yes I know you intend to eliminate questions raised with UD vs BOINC.

Why not just have two separate sets of data, namely UD and BOINC as well as total. You can rank users by the UD data by itself or the BOINC data by itself or rank the total. And when you report the BOINC scores to other sites, you only report the BOINC data.

And you can have links in various places to FAQ that explains the UD vs BOINC.

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Well, since you've been with WCG since near the beginning, you'll recall that WCG did not originally support BOINC. When BOINC support was added, the final result of the "how do we convert BOINC credits to UD points" ended up as "multiply by 7". In today's DC world, BOINC credits are the Euros and WCG points are Lira. Many of the statistic sites around the world report only BOINC credits so all the points everyone here at WCG earned running UD aren't included and the statistic sites present a distorted picture for WCG users and teams. With UD dead now, WCG is BOINC only but still using points. We're Lira in a Euro world. Since one BOINC credit is equal to seven points, the reverse is true as well. Seven points equal one credit. By dividing existing WCG points by seven, WCG is simply converting its "currency" from Lira to Euros. For the many statistic sites around the world, our non-BOINC work here will finally be properly reflected in their numbers. Points are a relic of our past now.
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Re: Can the WCG make it possible for Free-DC Stats to get "fresh stats"?

[sarcasm]Wow, a whole week and nothing but complaints![/sarcasm]


I am very pleased at positive reaction.

I will notify those stats folks that I have emails for - but everyone should also let their favorite external stats site know about the pending change as well.

For history, we will probably generate the BOINC xml stat files once right before we sync up and then once right after. Then if anyone wants to see exactly what was changed, they will be able to.


Kevin, it would seem that external sites that report only BOINC credits won't be impacted. If anything, all they will see is a one-day spike in WCG credits as WCG starts including converted UD points in the BOINC credits. If an external site does report WCG points, worst case is they would have to eliminate that anomaly and report only credits (like Free-DC) unless they have been reporting only points, not points and credits, for WCG. I suspect the place of bigger impact will be with WCG teams that track team member points. Perhaps a post in Member News (Teams too??) that this change is coming would be prudent as not everyone may be following this discussion.
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Re: Can the WCG make it possible for Free-DC Stats to get "fresh stats"?

Since you bring it up - I believe that in the next 24-36 hours the total credit awarded by World Community Grid for BOINC clients will pass the total credit awarded by ClimatePrediction.Net


First sign that we got there - when CPDN refreshes, they might have their 3rd place glory for a bit longer

World Community Grid - 5,727,568,187 17,044,678 5.33 hours ago
ClimatePrediction.Net - 5,724,785,846 6,631,622 1.04 days ago

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biggrin Re: Can the WCG make it possible for Free-DC Stats to get "fresh stats"?

Depends on how often Willy runs stats updates for each of the projects. Our midday stats are about to finish on WCG. Later BOINCstats might do too biggrin

(It's team stats that do not get refreshed midday, @ WCG)
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Re: Can the WCG make it possible for Free-DC Stats to get "fresh stats"?

[sarcasm]Wow, a whole week and nothing but complaints![/sarcasm]


I am very pleased at positive reaction.

I will notify those stats folks that I have emails for - but everyone should also let their favorite external stats site know about the pending change as well.

For history, we will probably generate the BOINC xml stat files once right before we sync up and then once right after. Then if anyone wants to see exactly what was changed, they will be able to.


So, when will all this happen ("the sync up")?

I have noticed that the overall WCG stats have been kinda low these past two days (maybe it's just because this time of the year when many take "Holidays/Vacations". Or maybe it's the heat of this Summer. crying I hope that folks will have patience and keep on crunching. Inquiring minds want to know. wink
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Re: Can the WCG make it possible for Free-DC Stats to get "fresh stats"?

So, when will all this happen ("the sync up")?

Sometime... smile
No date given as far as I know.
I have noticed that the overall WCG stats have been kinda low these past two days (maybe it's just because this time of the year when many take "Holidays/Vacations". Or maybe it's the heat of this Summer.

These reasons are certainly one part of the explanation. Another part comes probably from the distribution changes which have have happened or are still happening these last days.
FAAH distribution has been suspended several hours to correct a problem, and (some?) new WUs are much longer so it will take some time before they are returned and validated.
And DDDT is being dried to allow the switch to new no-redundancy WUs. There are probably several clients set to crunch DDDT only which are currently idle for a few more days.

And since there is also the week end effect it will take a few days to be able to better analyze how all these reasons have been combined in the recent decrease of the stats.

Cheers. Jean.
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biggrin Re: Can the WCG make it possible for Free-DC Stats to get "fresh stats"?

But, with WCG when any one sub-project is slow or interrupted, the others will pick up, so e.g. RICE broke a record yesterday with almost 46 CPU years. AND the monster FAAH started to get into the validation range and HCC picked up a fair bit extra and finally the triple copy DDDT (to speed up validation) added 20,000 units in afternoon session validation on Sunday. About HPF2, well they've been building momentum since the UD agent discontinuation and gradually been returning back to their marathon run pace following the typical week cycle. So the end result was that Sunday at 176 CPU Years for a hi summer (except the UK), was a good day compensating for the 'low'(er) on Friday/Saturday

Here a sample graph. For the full picture visit the graph link in my signature below.



And do feel free to analyze and spin it around.
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Re: Can the WCG make it possible for Free-DC Stats to get "fresh stats"?

So, when will all this happen ("the sync up")?

Sometime... smile
No date given as far as I know.
I have noticed that the overall WCG stats have been kinda low these past two days (maybe it's just because this time of the year when many take "Holidays/Vacations". Or maybe it's the heat of this Summer.

These reasons are certainly one part of the explanation. Another part comes probably from the distribution changes which have have happened or are still happening these last days.
FAAH distribution has been suspended several hours to correct a problem, and (some?) new WUs are much longer so it will take some time before they are returned and validated.
And DDDT is being dried to allow the switch to new no-redundancy WUs. There are probably several clients set to crunch DDDT only which are currently idle for a few more days.

And since there is also the week end effect it will take a few days to be able to better analyze how all these reasons have been combined in the recent decrease of the stats.

Cheers. Jean.


Can *anyone* give us news about when this sync will happen? Seriously.

I keep getting asked when ..

I'd like to provide the answers. I'm sure that many of you wants an answer as well. wink
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Re: Can the WCG make it possible for Free-DC Stats to get "fresh stats"?

Johnny,
I am sorry, I was serious. I read here or there about the techs working on preliminary operations necessary for making this jump, but nothing more. I leave it to them to say more if they already have a firm date.
And I perfectly understand that some people/sites are anxious to know how and when it will happen.

Regarding the low stats of the week end I am glad that yesterday's figures and today's on BoincStats too confirmed that it was essentially due to the distribution problems and to the longer duration of FAAH WUs. I hope it will go on that way, or even improve when the new DDDT WUs start to flow (today or tomorrow).

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Re: Can the WCG make it possible for Free-DC Stats to get "fresh stats"?

We don't have a specific date yet. The soonest it will occur during the 2nd or 3rd week of August.

Right now we are busy re-writing a bunch of the back end code for the website so that it doesn't access the UD database (data migration scripts, new tables in the website db, LOTS of code changes, etc). Once we have that released into production we can do the points conversion. However, we probably won't write those scripts until after we have put the new release into production.
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