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Re: no work, quota of 3 reached????

BOINC 6 has been in development for months, and will continue being in development for months to come. Software doesn't spring out of the ground in a completed state!

So far, BOINC 6 has only had some preliminary alpha builds just to test some changes to the Windows installer.

ALL the 6.1.x releases are alpha releases. When it goes beta, the version will change to 6.2.
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Re: no work, quota of 3 reached????

Cappy - batting this backwards and forwards isn't going to help your issues regardless of whos right or wrong.........best have a good check for errors/invalids on your results status page for that machine so we can either confirm or disregard whether that is where your problems lie smile
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Re: no work, quota of 3 reached????

lol i dont have a problem with that m8 lol.... i just dont like being called a lier :)

the 6.1 builds im almost positive were posted on the boinc main page :)

they were Betas then but Boinc gave um up because they couldnt get it to WORK. i was surprised when i heard they were going to start again.

but every move forward always supports a few moves back :) i never even knew of that index page till i did a search so the ONLY way i could have found it then was the BOINC main page :)

ok im done lol history lesson is over tongue
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Re: no work, quota of 3 reached????

Boinc 6.1 was released last year as a beta and withdrawn again if I remember correctly - it is still available from the Boinc download index HERE - however as Didactylos says its best to stick to the current recommended versions.

And also like he said, from your message log it looks like you have been restricted on getting work on that machine due to errors/invalids.


dude im glad you said that lol i missed it earlier, people think im nuts lol biggrin
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Re: no work, quota of 3 reached????

And also like he said, from your message log it looks like you have been restricted on getting work on that machine due to errors/invalids.

i have nothing even validated yet lol... ive checked, still waiting for the quarm to finish, points are there but none granted yet,,, on all retuned wu's.

i opened my computer for eveyone to see,, check it yourselves :)
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Re: no work, quota of 3 reached????

You're not a liar, Cappy - just misinformed.

I am closely involved with the development of BOINC, so I know exactly what happened.

You can check the release log and see for yourself.
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Re: no work, quota of 3 reached????

Now I remember why I do not crunch here anymore.

@Cappy- The version of BOINC will have nothing to do with whether a WU errors or not. Only the science application can have that affect. BOINC simply controls what projects you connect to and when to download or upload work. If you are receiving errors it is due to a problem with the science app or more likely your over clock. If you are not receiving errored WUs, then there is a problem with WCG itself. Simple as that.
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Re: no work, quota of 3 reached????

It can also be a problem with bad memory or memory pairs. I took back 2 sets for one computer until I found one that worked under 100% load.

Y'all bring back one of those seti martians you are looking for and we'll talk about it.

"Simple as that" usually means something else.
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Re: no work, quota of 3 reached????

In regard to Crunch3r's client- yes, in the past, his clients did in fact inflate the reported scores, because the benchmark program was using SSE2 (or whatever version of SSE you chose) optimizations. Now, however, he no longer does this.

But the admin is right - There is no logical way they can support this build, given its non standard nature; and yes, the client can cause problems with the science apps, though this is rare. Also, because WCG uses its own back end, and not the standard BOINC back end, there is likely to be issues with trying to get work from this project using BOINC v6. Depspid is another project that has issues with BOINC v6 - when you try to download work, you get "incomplete request" and it fails to download work.

It would have been better to report the problem to let them know of it, but not to complain or badger the admins because its not working for you.
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Re: no work, quota of 3 reached????

A couple of asides. If BOINC has memory leaks e.g. it will effect the crunching since the core client and science operate in a 'shared memory' environment. A number of point releases were quickly passed in the 5.x.x. series for this reason (this is my understanding).

Any major release has a well established numbering convention. The 1 in the 6.1 is an uneven hence alpha or pre-alpha. 6.2 will be beta or production and future 6.4.x, 6.6.x in the development path will be too. Only those you will see on the official Berkeley download page. As opposed, what you see in the directory download listing has anything in there to allow e.g. the testers to pull any version or downgrade as some had to do due to e.g. proxy tribulations.

Notably in the crunch3r compile, the log mentions 2 items:

2/24/2008 12:41:12 PM||-cpu_affinity
2/24/2008 12:41:12 PM||-delayed return_results_immediately (1 min)

CPU affinity has been requested at times. Honestly i don't see a benefit to the general crunching populous and to me is very very niche and should be deeply hidden 4 layers down from the Simple View client and only used by the truly experienced.

The delayed return_result is a Ready to Report (RtR) flushing feature for those who can't stand it to wait for the scheduler to clear these. Off and on it is now going to be back in version 6 but not recommended as it does increase the loads on the server side (SETI project tested this and seemingly the load increase was just nominal, so we'll see what happens). Unless your client has problems i.e. is not a reliable cruncher, please don't use this option!

The scheduler really does suck the RTRs up if any single RtR in the Tasks window of BOINCmgr has reached the 24 hour aging status and then clears all newer ones inclusive. My quad flushed last night at 23:32 CET, so i know it will before the end of this day and there are now 50 or so already to be send. There are in fact like 5 conditions that make RtRs to clear (see Start Here forum FAQ for a list down). Automatic Work fetch (initiated by the client and not the user) usually also clears them, long as the user is not modifying the cache and connect settings in between.

Anyway, back on topic, i keep several versions on the disk and backup before upgrading. If it's the customized version in combo with the particular client or something else could best be determined by reverting to an official Berkeley release that includes e.g. for sure all the SSL/HTTPS comms requirements that WCG specifically needs (not sure it's not the source of the problem as we don't have info suggesting it would work with WCG given since Feb 2 there is no stats data for Cappy at WCG).

http://boincstats.com/stats/user_graph.php?pr=wcg&id=345682

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