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Re: Courine the bump thread's not working - How about a Geek Forum?

I don't believe we have heard any different, so that's the best information we have.

However, the firm decision to move to BOINC has altered a few things. I wouldn't expect WCG to do any further UD integration work between now and UD's eventual exit. I'm not clear how much work is needed to integrate a forum with the existing databases, but my guess is WCG will be looking for ways to minimise the work.

Since UD is going away, and since at least the userid and stats are tied to the the website - with at least the userid being tied to the forum - wouldn't that argue in favor of delaying a forum upgrade until support for UD has been withdrawn? And if so, doesn't that push the upgrade for the forum software out to 2Q (if not 3Q) of 2008? I know the forum software is a low priority, but even low priority items have to get done eventually.

Also, since we seem to have enough work with the existing projects to keep us busy for the foreseeable future there doesn't seem to be any point to keeping new roll-outs as the top priority If there were cpu cycles going to waste, that would make sense, but that doesn't seem to be the case. I could see making an exception for something where there was a lot of grass roots interest - like a cancer project - but if the choice is between new forum software and another climate project, I think the forum sw should win.

I understand that WCG isn't a democracy, but the overwhelming interest in a software upgrade ought to be given more consideration than it seems to be getting.
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Re: Courine the bump thread's not working - How about a Geek Forum?

but if the choice is between new forum software and another climate project, I think the forum sw should win

twilyth, if the choice were so simple I would agree. Unfortunately I see another item which I find top urgent against both new projects or a new forum. See my post about the Boinc migration.
There are about 250,000 members not registered at all to this forum, and in total probably more than 300,000 never reading it. As said in my other post my highest expectation now is that the automatic migration routine be ready and safe and can be announced in an email to all members with a very visible button saying "Click here to move on".

Cheers. Jean.
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Re: Courine the bump thread's not working - How about a Geek Forum?

Jean, I agree that a migration friendly version of boinc is the top priority. But the next position on the list still seems to belong to new roll-outs and the bottom position is new forum software. That's what I object to. Especially when you consider that there is going to be a lot more interest in the forums as people begin to migrate.
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Why does everyone want to make this complex and shoot any needed changes in the foot?

The problem is this forum buries itself in game threads. That is why im very supportive else where, but here I speak my mind. WHY? Because this thread will be dead in less than a day. If you expect that anyone with anything to say will post here, I say “WHY?”

Want to know how this really looks? When a person joins this place, they commonly inspect the chat room space and general forum health. Right now this place looks like a kiddy pool full of adults, as the front page of the main chat is consistently full of games. Thus no seeming lobby!?!? That dont look to good, does it?

Tell me, WHY should I support this group? I can tell you, but you wont like it. Its because I feel that there is still a chance this was all some mistake. Some goof. For the only other reason would point to planned attrition of relocating grid.org personnel, through policy. A policy that assumes that if you are from there, you’re a problem right off the boat.

OH WHY WHY WHY......WHY!?!? when we were your sister project.
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Re: Courine the bump thread's not working - How about a Geek Forum?

This seems to be answered by my earlier post:

As for getting things from WCG - well, David Autumns and I have been waiting and asking for some features for years. But we try to keep a sense of proportion. Important things are addressed immediately. It's just WCG have different priorities. So we keep asking, and WCG provide - eventually.


Courine, it's nothing personal, and it's nothing to do with UD. The whole issue simply isn't as important as you think. I know this is a judgement call, but I have a few facts to back me up: the number of people that look at the chatroom is considerably less than you think. Only a small proportion of members even look at the forums, far less the chatroom. Even fewer join the forum community here. I've been around here long enough now to get an idea of the priorities of WCG, and minor forum issues fall into the "we'll get around to it sooner or later" category. And to their credit, forum issues are addressed eventually. But project launches and technical issues take precedence. The same WCG staff deal with running the grid and the forums. Their time is limited.
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Re: Courine the bump thread's not working - How about a Geek Forum?

Hey Courine

Take it from me that it' is not a matter of policy to bloody the noses of any ex grid.org supporter

Everyone is welcome

They are just plain slow. They being IBM

Now the project team behind the scenes are focused entirely on making this project work.

Boarding new projects into the agents. Getting those work units to you and getting the results back to the scientist. This part of the process they do par excellence, second to none. Down time and unavailability of all of the systems including this forum is right up there alongside completely acceptable. A truely brilliant job

however..

Not in their wildest dreams (despite having Community in the title) did IBM ever think there may be some passionate people out there who cared about this project. They perceive the whole thing as a "Set it and forget it" process

which to you and me.. it isn't.

So it's a culture clash between IBM and "the people"

IBM the huge monolith and at the bottom a very tiny door that you keep knocking on and knocking on and knocking on and knocking on (you get the point)

Eventually if you have a valid point they may even open the door and enquire "Yes, what is it?" but even then you may not get the result you are looking for, as a for example check out "Copyrighted Logo" on the bad search tool

Honestly Courine it's not you or your Pals from UD (n.b. I had 5 years of crunching over there before jumping ship on day 1 of this project)

Unfortunately it's all of us who are getting a bad deal on this front

Where's the merchandise? (I probably have one of only 2 WCG T shirts in the UK) Where's the PR? Where are the News Items? Why am I running the "spread the word" campaign (a la spreadfirefox) and not IBM? Why is the logo still copyright protected so that it cannot be used elsewhere? Where's the podcast that we can subscribe to with the latest project news?

you know all the marketing and advertising of a magnificent project taht others use in the 21st Century so more people know.

When this project kicked off there were supposedly 650,000,000 PC now I am sure there are plenty more than that

We now have 325,000 members after almost 3 years (16th November 2004 being kick off)

We now get 200 years/day which is the equivalent of 73,000 (single core) PC's on 24/7

Now don't get me wrong that's great peace but it's not superb like it could be.

But Courine don't give up. Keep asking and you will have good days like I had this month on September 9th when the NFCR acknowledged the existence of the WCG. It really is worth it for days like those (now on page 3 of this chatroom behind all the word game threads wink)


5 Months it took (from all the dodgy healthy recipes I received in the meantime) but we got there

In it for the long run and thankful that this project is running at all

note to IBM.

If more people were aware of the World Community Grids potential then out of that user group you are more likely to find a person with a problem that could be solved on the World Community Grid.

p.s. is anyone going to be at the Hong Kong think tank forum on Global Collaboration in Cancer Research?

Courine don't think of yourself as a alienated ex grid.org'er. Think of yourself as being part of the larger (alienated) World Community Grid family hugs


Welcome aboard and don't forget to keep 'em crunching

Dave
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Re: Courine the bump thread's not working - How about a Geek Forum?

Depends on which projects it uses. About 22,900 points, or 76 work units at 100% CPU utilization, with no other workload, assuming that it can be simply calculated by using the output of a Q6600 and multiplying, and that it works on all projects except African Climate.

As for the forums, I suggest that we just make a spam forum and move all the game topics to there.

EDIT: Probably better numbers again.
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As for the forums, I suggest that we just make a spam forum and move all the game topics to there.



I just thought I would bump this one item. The one no one seem to need but is almost embarrassing to not have.
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Re: Courine the bump thread's not working - How about a Geek Forum?

I would like to experiment with a quad core too but will await a price drop. I especially like the low wattage as I had a big heat load problem in my office this summer.

Actually I would like a whole cabinet of blade servers, 3-phase electrical system and a chiller ... but I have to win the lottery first. biggrin

But right now I am out of DSL ports so I have to deal with that problem first. It is always something.

STS-120 is still on schedule for the October launch.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/main/index.html

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If you have a router uplinked from the DSL modem, I believe you can add up to 254 IP addresses. At least my cable>router works that way.
It would be pretty hard for me to run out of ports at home.
At work, I have 3 load balancing routers and 10x24 port switches (6 with ethernet + power so I don't need power bricks for each phone) to handle all the computers and VOIP phone system.
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