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Re: Announce upcoming projects are BOINC only

Hello esoteric17,
I wish that ThreadMaster were easier to use, but it is the only freeware program I know that can throttle applications.

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Re: Announce upcoming projects are BOINC only

The UD version is becoming very dated since it is not being upgraded. New projects may or may not run on it.

Even if staying with the 2 existing projects, there is at least enough data left for another year's work on FAAH and HPF2. Just keep crunching.

There's some work being done on an improved BOINC throttle, but it's not there yet. BOINC is changing as needed.
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Yeah, I understand, everything goes through phases and BOINC is relatively new compared to UD and certain things will take time.

Its hard to be a critic of such a worthwhile endeavour as the WCG, but I am just trying to give my feedback.

I just think that perhaps the importance of the throttle cannot be underestimated when it comes to people "uninstalling" after a short period of time.

I installed it on my mum's PC last week and she is already complaining about the CPU fan noise and wants me to uninstall - I am replacing it with UD (hopefully she will notice) smile.

Installation of a third party throttle mechanism is a great idea but is beyond someone like my mum.
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Re: Announce upcoming projects are BOINC only

Throttles should work with the OS rather than with a specific application.

Lawrence I am with you on this subject, I prefer that things be handled from the right end.
Being a Windows user I know the situation here, but what about the two other OSs supported by WCG?
Is Mac (which is so often praised by its users) better in this area?
Same question for Linux? And if not, one additional question: has anybody already tried to bring such a general purpose throttling feature in Linux?

Thanks in advance for additional information. Jean.
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Re: Announce upcoming projects are BOINC only

No, the problem is built right into the way the throttle works. The BOINC devs and WCG are aware of the problem, but there isn't a firm solution yet.

Meanwhile, I will offer these easy workarounds: change the throttle to 100% - get maximum work done, and the fan will be constant. Or change the throttle to 50% (not 60 or 40 - it has to be 50). This will cause the BOINC throttle to use the smallest time interval it can, and normally it won't trigger any odd fan behaviour.
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Re: Announce upcoming projects are BOINC only

Hi Troy Boy,
The BOINC throttle is a joke, admittedly. The solution is to leave BOINC at 100% and use ThreadMaster to control the applications.


Threadmaster works great but has no GUI...I don't really think most run-of-the-mill users will be inclined to use it. Are there any GUI-based CPU throttling applications?

I think perhaps WCG should hold off on pulling the plug on the UD Agent download unless the BOINC throttling is improved or there is an easier CPU throttling application...?

I've proposed using TM at the BOINC dev forum as source code can be had, but the obstacle is it only works on Windows OS. It needs working for all OSses. Maybe one day I'll write a true step by step for Threadmaster, even understood by the lesser technically inclined. One without ever to go directly into the Registry (there's really no need). The fast majority at WCG crunches on Windows, so at least these members would be helped.

Don't know how the throttle in BOINC is implemented, but have a feeling it has something to do with the 1 second heartbeat over RPC that BOINC core client uses to communicate with the science and other parts. Didactylos will know. At any rate, increasing RPC would be murder and calling for more issues like firewalls, so I'd suspect.
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Re: Announce upcoming projects are BOINC only

What percentage of current devices are running UD?

The announcement said
2. Our plan is to run these projects on UD at least through the end of 2007 but no later than mid-2008
. What boinc revision is scheduled 2008?
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Hi twilyth,
What percentage of current devices are running UD?

knreed occasionally mentions this to the CAs. I forget his last figures, but I have a feeling that approximately two-thirds use UD. That is a rough guess on my part.
What boinc revision is scheduled 2008?

Scheduling software is something that can only be done accurately once a program is debugged. At this point, we expect to roll out BOINC 6 sometime in 2008. BOINC 6 is expected to be Vista-ready, so it will install on Vista without problems. batting eyelashes biggrin wink

BOINC 6 will also redo the graphics. By this time, it is obvious that it is unexpectedly difficult to program graphics for BOINC. So a basic change is going to be made. The problem will then be to reprogram applications to run with BOINC 6, running BOINC 5 applications with BOINC 6 and running BOINC 6 applications with old BOINC 5 clients. worried shock

So we have exciting times coming - rolling eyes
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The problem will then be to reprogram applications to run with BOINC 6, running BOINC 5 applications with BOINC 6 and running BOINC 6 applications with old BOINC 5 clients.


I know, I'm getting a bit offtopic now, but is there any probability to autoupdate the BOINC-clients out there when this change is done? I feel the risk of getting a huge number of users lost during this transfer sad
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Re: Announce upcoming projects are BOINC only

LH - thanks.

So despite the volume of posts regarding boinc, ud is the dominant client. That's interesting.

Is WCG serious about converting completely to boinc by mid-2008? Considering that rolling out boinc 6 raises issues with backward compatibility, how will they handle switching over so many users?

Plus, unless the version available when the switch is made is much more user friendly, and essentially bug-free, I think a lot of devices will just disappear. I suspect that will happen anyway once ud goes away but it would be nice to minimize the impact.

This would be a major problem for a commercial IT enterprise. I can't even imagine what's going to happen with a volunteer organization running open source software.
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