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JmBoullier
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Re: Announce upcoming projects are BOINC only

Underlying truth being, that there is still only 24 CPU hours of iops/flops being moved, but credit received for 36 Run Time Hours.... now that's nifty.

Sekerob, that can be even niftier. Scribe is not getting everything he could... smile See this average run time per day which confirms that my UD is leaving more CPU time to Boinc than its 25% setting should might lead to think...

I often feel slightly guilty, but in fact that is this stupid UD scoring system which pushes people to be naughty. I am sure that many heavy gamers running UD alone have soon noticed that they could spend as much time running very demanding games as they want and still get the points and run time for a full day of crunching. But for the returned results and actual work done it is a different story...
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Hello JmBoullier,
My understanding is that the throttle on the UD applications works differently than it appears to. If it is set to 60%, then it computes that the System Idle process should be running 40% of the time and keeps cutting until that happens. The throttle is meant to keep a CPU running cool rather than to allocate CPU time.

I may be wrong about how the UD throttle works.

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Lawrence,
I am generally inclined to view it like you. However it seems to be even more complicated than that. After having used several different throttling settings for UD and Boinc I am currently at 25% for UD and 100% for Boinc for several days now.

If UD's throttle worked exactly as we think UD should no longer run. But it still produce about one unit per day. On the other hand my processor should be warmer than during the many weeks before when I was set to 25/90, or eventually as warm if we assume that it was already running full speed in total. However, in fact, it seems that it is finally slightly cooler (strictly speaking it is still at the same temperature but the fan runs slower).

The only reasonable conclusion I can come to is that this throttling subject is apparently much more tricky than we would like it to be... smile

Cheers. Jean.
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It's called the 'HPF2' factor and is explained by Viktors somewhere. Use Neither UD nor BOINC throttle i.e. both on 100% for a clean view to see the difference with FA@H.
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Re: Announce upcoming projects are BOINC only

Are there any plans to make a better CPU throttle for BOINC? Or will users still be referred to 3rd party applications such as Threadmaster?
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There are discussions about modifying the throttle on BOINC to behave more as users expect (i.e. a finer resolution then 1 second for the suspend/resume logic to give the throttle %) as well as possibly being smarter to subtract its actual processor utilization from what the OS reports as total processor utilization and then adjust so that it doesn't cause the OS to exceed the throttle % unless some other process uses more then that %.

However, this is all discussion at this point. Planning is starting for the BOINC 6.0 client and this is one of many things being discussed. I refer you to the boinc-dev mailing lists if you wish to keep up on changes planned.
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I did some playing around with the UD/BOINC mix. Throttle on both is 100%. I checked.

The UD HPF2 does not combine well at all, only getting less than 1% of CPU cycles. It was only about 3% finished after 5 days.

I suspended BOINC to let it complete. At that point it took off. It was 27% complete after another hour. I watched the UD HPF2 finish after only about 3 more hours and forced FAAH. It's back to 50%/50% with UD FAAH and BOINC FAAH.
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retsof,
I have often read you or other CAs mentioning what you describe today more precisely, and I am amazed, particularly today when I see how disastrous your measurements are. You can take my amazement the other way if you prefer, i.e. why is it not that at all in my machine?

Since the beginning (end of January) I am running both, simply because I was quickly convinced by the advantages of Boinc, but being in team Decrypthon it was the least that I did some computing for HCMD. smile

Since HCMD is finished I am running HPF2 in UD and FAAH (after GC) in Boinc, and UD is producing what I expect from it. It is throttled for crunching one WU per day in order to score something even when the validation of Boinc WUs is going very bad. To achieve that UD is throttled at 25 % and I rarely need to give it a one-hour boost to help it finish before the night stats. Boinc itself is throttled at 100 % usually, sometimes at 90 % if I get fed up by the noise of the fan.

If that can be of any interest for the case, UD behaved the same while Boinc was crunching a few HPF2 WUs these last days because of the FAAH transition.

Obviously I trust you and the figures you give, and I hope you will trust me the same (you can probaly check it in my stats from your side anyway). So what? There is something very strange here...

Cheers. Jean.
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JmBoullier, how many cores do you have? That plays a part, also.
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My findings are exactly the same as Retsof. It will share 50/50 with both on FAAH but if the UD one is HPF then it only gets 1 or 2%....
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