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Re: New biological weapon?

applause Very well stated, Hairy4Paws! applause
applause I agree with Dave - Well Done applause
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Yes, well said Hair4Paws.

To be optimistic is a conscious emotional choice anyone can make if they have the will. I will not be led blindly down a dark alley, but with Freedom I can explore all avenues and make my choice accordingly.
I have faith and optimism in humanity! We will overcome!

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I have a sort of related question. Although I am in agreement that this project has no sinister purposes, I am wondering about its end use. Will the results of this project become part of the public domain for anybody to use either for profit or not? If it is used for profit by private industry should there be a requirement that a portion of the profits be used to fund projects like this or be used for other worthwhile causes, such as providing low cost or free drugs to low income AIDs patients?
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Larry,

Knowledge is one thing.... using knowledge another... cool
Suppose the "medicine men" know the cure for a disease some private industrie has to profide the "medicine men" with the pills they need ..
The people of the private industrie have to earn a living just like you and me..
But the bottom line is: Mankind conquered another desease .... and I am proud to make this possible.


Harry:
I'm an Optimist, so I gladly compute away with sincere belief that my contribution may help cure one ill or stop one genetic mistake, not to make super people or control the genetic destiny of mankind but to raise us all up, so all of us can use our energies to move to the next level. Our future is ahead, being drawn by our action today and built by our beliefs in tomorrow.

You earned a bone or two with this one.... biggrin biggrin biggrin

Keep the CPU's smoking..
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Unlike the results of pure government research which is provided to the public without charge this project is being supported by the donations of thousands of private individuals. As such, a different set of rules for the use of this data by for profit organizations should be considered. Without such rules this situation could occur: Drug company X uses the data to develop a new drug. This saves millions in research costs. Even though drug company X saved millions in research expenses, there is no rule requiring it to sell the drug to the public at a reduced cost reflecting the reduced research expenses because of the data this grid project is producing. As such, drug company X can charge whatever it wants for the drug, foreseeably at a price which would excluded low income individuals and members of 3rd world countries. Without some controls or motivation, U.S. businesses will try to sell its products at the greatest possible profit, to the exclusion some customers. To put it another way, would you donate part of your paycheck to General Motors to allow General Motors to make a better Luxury SUV that many people may not be able to afford and to allow the executives at General Motors to get larger year end bonuses?
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Larry;
This is just another pesimistic view point. Close akin to saying "because I can't control what happens I'll do nothing". Do you not work? Is not your work anothers "profit", whether you like it or not? Is it wrong that another "profits" from your labors? Are you not compensated at least to your own satisfaction? What work of value to anyone else can you do that will allow no person or group or company or country to "profit" from that act. So what that a drug company uses the information to bring about a new drug or cure? So what they take a profit from this activitiy, without them moving the last mile nothing we do would see full fruition and getting to the last mile should be our first priority. I wish that some government would take on the burden of converting all this information into its most useful form but then would not that government or that people be the one to profit from our labors? No, better to place all of this in the public domain and let the natural drives and politics of the world determine the next step. Else, we might as well all become pesimistic and over controlling and stop least we let someone some where "profit" from us.
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smile Hello my little furry friend, I wish I'd said that, sick with envy

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Graham;
You have a way with words, I've seen this my friend. Do not envy me my tortured sentences. If only I could be so eloquent as you are all the time. smile
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I was not being a pessimist. I greatly support the grid project. I was just pointing out that since the grid project is being supported by the efforts of private individuals donating their time and resources, for profit organizations using the data the grid produces should also donate something to benefit mankind. If a new class of vital drugs is produced from the grid's data such drugs should be made available to everyone, not just the wealthy and those individuals with adquate health insurance. Profit is acceptable only if does not supercede human health and welfare. What good does it do anyone to have a drug that could be beneficial but unavailable to many due a quest for profits? As for non-profit research organizations, they should be able to access the grid data at no cost so as to assist in vital basic research and development.
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Larry, the link I posted above is to a thread dealing with the non-profit nature of this project, and the release to public domain of results of the research. I think the bottom line is that what you want is the way that it is.

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I can not imagine any evidence that could be given to prove to vampireau that the research will not be misued for sinister purposes. I do not think that there is an evil conspiracy behind the WCG, just that I can't think of what information would actually prove that. Anything we say can easily be dismissed as part of the cover story or as a symptom of our simple mindedness/gullibility. So what would constitute impartial and actual proof?
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