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Re: Boinc 5.10.7...Lot's of problems

Shouldn't you connect as an HTTP proxy? There are separate options for HTTP proxies in BOINC, and ISA server should be accessed as an HTTP proxy, I think. See this article for (possibly) an explanation: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/891251

It seems strange you should have this problem when it works for so many other people. Please let us know if using an HTTP proxy configuration setting fixes this for you.
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Re: Boinc 5.10.7...Lot's of problems

Shouldn't you connect as an HTTP proxy? There are separate options for HTTP proxies in BOINC, and ISA server should be accessed as an HTTP proxy, I think. See this article for (possibly) an explanation: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/891251

It seems strange you should have this problem when it works for so many other people. Please let us know if using an HTTP proxy configuration setting fixes this for you.
Thanks for the reply. I'm using ISA 2000 (so its a little older than the article) however the problem is simply that BOINC doesn't do NTLM authentication, and I have ISA configured to demand NTLM authentication for outbound access. To get around this problem, I'm using SOCKSPuppet SOCKS5 proxy on a different server simply for the BOINC clients to connect to and get through the firewall, and it works perfectly fine in 5.8.16. It does not work at all if I upgrade any of these machines from 5.8.16 to any 5.10.x series builds. Reverting back to 5.8.16 and communications immediately begin to work once more.

Following the mailing list today it seems they have a more pressing issue to resolve (which I myself have not experienced).
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Re: Boinc 5.10.7...Lot's of problems

Indeed. "Sit around and wait for it to crash" is an annoying debugging method :-(

BOINC has had trouble with NTLM auth in the past, but to be honest, I hoped it was fixed now. Anyway, the core of the problem isn't BOINC, but libCurl, which BOINC uses for all socket access.

A double proxy sounds complicated, and I can esily see how it could fail in unexpected ways.

The most useful thing you could do is use WireShark (or a similar tool) to get a packet level log of the connection attempt. That will pinpoint the problem, and is always the first step to finding a solution.

You may want to create a reference trace using 5.8.16 before trying 5.10 again.

Please will you update your Trac ticket with an explanation of your double proxy setup - reading it led me astray, and may delay a resolution.
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The setup is actually more simple than it sounds. We've got an ISA Server 2000 sitting up front between the network and the internet, all traffic must pass through it. All workstations are so called "web proxy" clients, their HTTP/HTTPS traffic must pass through the web proxy service of the ISA Server to access the internet. Since we use Internet Explorer exclusively, and since this is an Active Directory domain, it all works seemlessly, and we have site/content/access rules setup based on user ID/groups, and since the web proxy service demands NTLM authentication and IE sends it transparently, all is bliss. For our servers, they are what is referred to as Secure NAT clients, we specify the ISA Server IP as the default gateway, and traffic flows between the two without authentication needed, the only thing that is required is that the ports/protocols are allowed on the ISA server. We have several server programs that utilize this just fine (POS-Partner for credit card processing, BlackBerry Enterprise Server, and several others).

Enter BOINC. It couldn't do NTLM (thanks for the explanation on that, btw). Following a tip on some other forum I found searching Google, I downloaded SOCKSPuppet and installed it on one of the servers. Loaded up BOINC, pointed it to that server as SOCKS proxy, and bingo, I was in business. It isn't really a double proxy per se because the server SOCKSPuppet resides on is not going through the web proxy service, but directly throgh the firewall. It appears to me that something must have been changed with the libCurl they use in 5.10 (newer version?), but using a packet capture program to see what exactly BOINC is doing might be quite useful, and I will try that as soon as I can. According to what I can see on the SOCKSPuppet side, BOINC never makes an attempt to connect with 5.10.
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Re: Boinc 5.10.7...Lot's of problems

Well 5.10.7 was pulled .... the marriage was just ill conceived :D).... AND Remember WCG did NOT Recommend it. They wait 2-4 weeks to see it stabilizing, as there is a recent history of point releases shortly after!
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Re: Boinc 5.10.7...Lot's of problems

Hi Sekerob

Does WCG recommend switching back to 5.8.16, I switched to 5.10.7 about 2 days ago.
12 returns - 3665 points with No problems at all, currently 2 work units going 4 scheduled.
In fact I like the new updated 5.10.7

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Re: Boinc 5.10.7...Lot's of problems

Let me put it this way: If you have no problems yet, stay with it, but if you do get problems, go back.... no reporting needed here. I'm testing 5.10.8 on one machine and still more things need fixing.... no check-in changes were added for last 13 hours ;>)
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Re: Boinc 5.10.7...Lot's of problems

Thanks for the reply Sekerob.
I will stick with 5.10.7 until I get any problems.
Do you know if there is any testing on actual different computer setups, for example I have NO problems but my setup is very Basic - one computer no network to speak off.

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Re: Boinc 5.10.7...Lot's of problems

There's actually an extensive program of steps to see if one can break it. Quite a few do the testing, so all sorts of hardware/software/OS combinations get subjected to the millstones.
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Re: Boinc 5.10.7...Lot's of problems

I've been using the 5.10.x builds for the x64 support (running Vista x64 here) and because they seem to work better with Vista. I haven't had any of the troubles that seem to be aflicting a lot of people on the Boinc Alpha list (thankfully), its just that it appears SOCKS communication is broken in the 5.10 releases and I can't use it at work on the corporate network. However after seeing some of the issues 5.10 is having, I'm in no rush to change to it anyway on the corp machines. Will be waiting this out for some much more extensive testing first.
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